Why use a G4?
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Sandor Vennink
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Hehenoisetonepause wrote:I was talking politics. Politics may or may not interest you, but as always, politics are interested in you.
Anyways. All I can really think of off the top of my head is the security (Windows quite simply is NOT secure, unlike OSX) and the fact that Macs have usable soundcards built-in. All the PC laptops I've ever used have had noisy headphone outs with high latencies. Not so with Apple.
-Paws
About the security.. Not really an issue for me. You see, the machine will be used for audio only..no games, internet or that kind of stuff. I have 3 desktop PC's for that.
When a lot of people use something..you will find a lot of shortcomings obviously (get my point?). I could tell a whole story about the security but thats not the point here.
The argument about the outputs is a good one. Again..there are machines with quite nice onboard audio.
A large part of it is marketing / branding IMO
Microsoft branding says " Home users can get email and send pictures to their grandma, you can use Word to do your business letters "
hmmm, woohoo!
Apple branding - " you will be cool, stylish and funky - listen to music, create and be cut above the mainstream"
the general market perception they create is that they are underground and iconoclastic, whereas microsoft sell themselves as the establisment.
You can see where the appeal would lie for people in the creative industries.
Obviously there are other factors, but like I say, a huge part of it is marketing.
I have two PCs with XP on, one desktop - one Laptop .. both stable. I also have a 17" powerbook - also fine.
somehow I always get roped into fixing peoples computers, oddly a lot of them are Macs which is odd, because as everyone knows they never break .. weird.
Microsoft branding says " Home users can get email and send pictures to their grandma, you can use Word to do your business letters "
hmmm, woohoo!
Apple branding - " you will be cool, stylish and funky - listen to music, create and be cut above the mainstream"
the general market perception they create is that they are underground and iconoclastic, whereas microsoft sell themselves as the establisment.
You can see where the appeal would lie for people in the creative industries.
Obviously there are other factors, but like I say, a huge part of it is marketing.
I have two PCs with XP on, one desktop - one Laptop .. both stable. I also have a 17" powerbook - also fine.
somehow I always get roped into fixing peoples computers, oddly a lot of them are Macs which is odd, because as everyone knows they never break .. weird.
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Sandor Vennink
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I would have to agree on thatAngstrom wrote:A large part of it is marketing / branding IMO
Microsoft branding says " Home users can get email and send pictures to their grandma, you can use Word to do your business letters "
hmmm, woohoo!
Apple branding - " you will be cool, stylish and funky - listen to music, create and be cut above the mainstream"
the general market perception they create is that they are underground and iconoclastic, whereas microsoft sell themselves as the establisment.
You can see where the appeal would lie for people in the creative industries.
Obviously there are other factors, but like I say, a huge part of it is marketing.
I have two PCs with XP on, one desktop - one Laptop .. both stable. I also have a 17" powerbook - also fine.
I don't know how stabile XP really is these days. But OSX is rock solid as far as i'm concerned. A crash rarely happens and by crash i mean i have to reboot.
I gave up on windows in the days of win95/98. At first i thought that there was a game running that i couldn't delete. This was a game where there would pop up error messages for no explainable reason. If you won, you could go on with whatever you where doing. If you lost then you got the blue screen. I finally figured out it wasn't a game because i couldn't enter my high-score.
Maybe windows works fine if you maintain it. But i love osx because there is almost nothing to maintain. What is a virus? thats a synth, right?
They both have their ups and downs. One of the ups i enjoy about my g5 is only having to reboot it once each week. Or after installing software.
One of the ups in windows is the fact that it's the only platform that supports my cd-rom collection of mad magazines
Cheers
I gave up on windows in the days of win95/98. At first i thought that there was a game running that i couldn't delete. This was a game where there would pop up error messages for no explainable reason. If you won, you could go on with whatever you where doing. If you lost then you got the blue screen. I finally figured out it wasn't a game because i couldn't enter my high-score.
Maybe windows works fine if you maintain it. But i love osx because there is almost nothing to maintain. What is a virus? thats a synth, right?
They both have their ups and downs. One of the ups i enjoy about my g5 is only having to reboot it once each week. Or after installing software.
One of the ups in windows is the fact that it's the only platform that supports my cd-rom collection of mad magazines
Cheers
as far as stability goes.. XP is right up there with Panther.
Security is another issue.
OSX hasn't always been a sleek cat though... OSX 10.1 was about as enjoyable as Windows ME.
i switched from Mac back to PC for Ableton Live and Ableton Live alone.
while i do use my PC for many other things besided Live. Since 4.0 came out, i simply had to have more power and wasn't willing to wait for Ableton to optimize the Mac code further. yea its worth having ad-aware pro se taking a whole 5MB in the background, and using webmail instead of Outlook for security purposes. These minor security steps allows me to use a machine that gives me thrice the performance power per $1.
They're both stable OS's for performing, it really comes down to personal preference and what you "Need". If i was also into video editing, i'd still be on Mac. If Ableton ever got the Mac code up to the effeciency level of Logic for instance, it would be a whole other ballgame.
Security is another issue.
OSX hasn't always been a sleek cat though... OSX 10.1 was about as enjoyable as Windows ME.
i switched from Mac back to PC for Ableton Live and Ableton Live alone.
while i do use my PC for many other things besided Live. Since 4.0 came out, i simply had to have more power and wasn't willing to wait for Ableton to optimize the Mac code further. yea its worth having ad-aware pro se taking a whole 5MB in the background, and using webmail instead of Outlook for security purposes. These minor security steps allows me to use a machine that gives me thrice the performance power per $1.
They're both stable OS's for performing, it really comes down to personal preference and what you "Need". If i was also into video editing, i'd still be on Mac. If Ableton ever got the Mac code up to the effeciency level of Logic for instance, it would be a whole other ballgame.
apple... still using old technology in their lappies hence the not so great cpu in live tests and yes i have used both , so getting a stable pc laptop to run live is only a matter of how much the users know about setting it up correctly and also buying a brand which is intended for high end users/performance.
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vince watson
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ableton running like logic on osx tiger...holy f***!!!! that would be the next revolution in music production...
ableton is nowhere near as good on the mac as it is on a pc..and it hurts to say that
10.1 cheetah was erm.....a beta os wasnt it
tiger is however way ahead of anything i have seen from longhorn or any other unix stuff.....
lets hope that the abe's get there coding up a few gears....
ableton is nowhere near as good on the mac as it is on a pc..and it hurts to say that
10.1 cheetah was erm.....a beta os wasnt it
tiger is however way ahead of anything i have seen from longhorn or any other unix stuff.....
lets hope that the abe's get there coding up a few gears....
Macbook Pro (Early2011) 17" Antiglare Hi Res 2.2, 8gb Ram, RME Multiface Expresscard, Ableton 7.18, Ableton 8.2.1, Snow Leopard 10.6.8
- That is an absolute flat out blanket misinformed or utter bullshite statement (having used both a 12" PB and My Toshiba on XP pro.)sqook wrote: There's nothing more frustrating for me than having a burst of creative inspiration only to have it be ruined by windows crashing, not working properly with my hardware, or pestering me with a bunch of worthless dialogs and shit. .
Why do some people STILL carry on like this is OS9 and every PC user uses Window's 98 or ME .
Look use a Mac because YOU WANT TOO is the simple and best bet answer.
If you want to use a Mac use one / ditto for PC .
Do you really need a bunch of people to quanitify or validate your choice ?
Quite frankly a well tweaked XP Pro OS is mega stable.
And I didn't see a wall of Mac's at the last Kraftwerk gig I went to either a big wall of Vaio (hell yeah
) ..........But seriously OSX and XP pro are both very clean and efficient operating systems. There is a big trade of on raw power in the laptop Market when comparing a G4 w/ Live and say a 1.8ghz Dothan with Live for example.
The Dothan will win handsdown but more power doesn't = better music.
My aren't the wings of butterflies beautiful and do they not make wonderful perturbations.....
Tiger is nice, but it ain't revolutionary.vince watson wrote:ableton running like logic on osx tiger...holy f***!!!! that would be the next revolution in music production...
ableton is nowhere near as good on the mac as it is on a pc..and it hurts to say that
10.1 cheetah was erm.....a beta os wasnt it
tiger is however way ahead of anything i have seen from longhorn or any other unix stuff.....
lets hope that the abe's get there coding up a few gears....
Open GL and Quartz Extreme are still running in 32bit in Tiger, and its been announced they will stay that way upon final release of Tiger (you can blame Apple's desire to still support the G3 instead of pushing their hardware as much as they do iPods for that one). Because apple likes to spread itself thin in terms of hardware, Tiger won't truley be a 64bit Operating system.
Where as x64 XP (which i started beta testing yesterday, thanks to a kick in the ass from detroitechno) has 64bit SSE2 instruction already in its RC1 beta.
Hence detroitechno is getting 12% better Live 4 performance on x64 XP than x32 XP.
i hope you don't think Spotlight and Dashboard (cough Konfabulator) make Tiger "way ahead". Don't look at longhorn. Look at x64 XP.
(knocking on wood.....)
XP and Live working most exellently, here on my VAIO. One month in. To tell you the truth, I haven't done a whole lot of fancy stuff, yet. No recording. And yes, I'm using the built-in AC97 for monitoring for now. I can jam on several operators and run a bunch of effects no problem. Nary a crash yet. 7ms output latency.
The cooling fan is the only thing that is a little annoying at times, but not with headphones or the music cranked.
I've heard that Sony and Apple are the only ones that manufacture their own laptops.
And as far as creativity- if you put Live fullscreen, then there is not much different with the OS's as far as what you're looking at, eh??
just slap stickers all over it and no one will know what the hell it is.
I paid just over $1000 for the laptop and it is a dream. p4 3.02 ghz 512MB 60GB fw/3xusb/ and the screen is friggin AMAZING. seriously.
XP and Live working most exellently, here on my VAIO. One month in. To tell you the truth, I haven't done a whole lot of fancy stuff, yet. No recording. And yes, I'm using the built-in AC97 for monitoring for now. I can jam on several operators and run a bunch of effects no problem. Nary a crash yet. 7ms output latency.
The cooling fan is the only thing that is a little annoying at times, but not with headphones or the music cranked.
I've heard that Sony and Apple are the only ones that manufacture their own laptops.
And as far as creativity- if you put Live fullscreen, then there is not much different with the OS's as far as what you're looking at, eh??
just slap stickers all over it and no one will know what the hell it is.
I paid just over $1000 for the laptop and it is a dream. p4 3.02 ghz 512MB 60GB fw/3xusb/ and the screen is friggin AMAZING. seriously.
for the most part Quanta (though occasionally Compal) manufacture the ibooks and powerbooks and the sony vaios. They also made the HP i'm typing on now, Compaq, Toshiba, IBM, Dell, etc.simon wrote:(
I've heard that Sony and Apple are the only ones that manufacture their own laptops.
Alpha Top Corp in the past has helped with some earlier powerbook production, but these days Quanta is contracted to produce 80% of the notebooks for the major brands.
