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anto wrote:

twisted-space wrote:

anto wrote:

I suspect that's due to Live's plugin buffer. If this is set to "as audio buffer", then the plugin will always have to wait, in your case, 128 samples before it can process any audio. You can reduce this at the expense of more cpu load, see preferences, cpu, plugin buffer size.



yes, but some plugins declared zero latency add latency, some other don' do this (i.e. waves550 add latency, Ableton eq8 doesn't add latency)

Live's plugins don't use the plugin buffer but VST (etc) plugins and the AAS instruments do have to use it.

anto wrote: I've read from Sonslksis:
"All Sonalksis plug-ins that use our State-Space Analog technology are inherently ?zero- latency? processing devices. The plug-ins work just like the true analogue circuits that they model - all processing is instantaneous, so there is no latency (delay) introduced in the audio signal".
I mean this when I realize some wrong information about zero latency

This refers to the "essentials" plugins , Maxlimit isn't part of that suite.

anto wrote:......yes, but some plugins declared zero latency add latency, some other don' do this (i.e. waves550 add latency, Ableton eq8 doesn't add latency)

Waves 550 doesn't add any additional latency, but it has to use Lives plugin buffer, which if you have it set to it's default, with your soundcard settings, buffers 128 samples before handing them to the plugin so increasing your latency.

EQ8 isn't a vst plugin, so it doesnt have to use the plugin buffer.

on this whole rant (that's what it seems like to me)... if you have the same chain of identical effects on 8 different tracks, i.e. eq/compressor/etc, would that add any more latency than it would if that chain were only on 1 single audio track??? also, would sample buffering increase in that scenario? seems to me a processor should be able to push the audio through each track equally as fast if all tracks used the same exact chain of plugins.

McQ714 wrote:on this whole rant (that's what it seems like to me)... if you have the same chain of identical effects on 8 different tracks, i.e. eq/compressor/etc, would that add any more latency than it would if that chain were only on 1 single audio track??? also, would sample buffering increase in that scenario? seems to me a processor should be able to push the audio through each track equally as fast if all tracks used the same exact chain of plugins.

You are correct AFAIK

twisted-space wrote:

anto wrote: I've read from Sonslksis:
"All Sonalksis plug-ins that use our State-Space Analog technology are inherently ?zero- latency? processing devices. The plug-ins work just like the true analogue circuits that they model - all processing is instantaneous, so there is no latency (delay) introduced in the audio signal".
I mean this when I realize some wrong information about zero latency

This refers to the "essentials" plugins , Maxlimit isn't part of that suite.

anto wrote:......yes, but some plugins declared zero latency add latency, some other don' do this (i.e. waves550 add latency, Ableton eq8 doesn't add latency)

Waves 550 doesn't add any additional latency, but it has to use Lives plugin buffer, which if you have it set to it's default, with your soundcard settings, buffers 128 samples before handing them to the plugin so increasing your latency.

EQ8 isn't a vst plugin, so it doesnt have to use the plugin buffer.

very clear, many thanks for the whole explanation


could you tell me some questions?
some ableton plugins are not vst? or all the Ableton plugins are not vst?
which kind of plugins are Ableton plugins?

au plugins use the same buffer latency of vst plugin?

there are some kind of plugins which doesn't use the plugin buffer?

Isn't there some limitation with DSP where there has to be some latency due to the requirement of a buffer to operate on? I imagine you can't have an audio processing algorithm without some audio to process.

anto wrote:which kind of plugins are Ableton plugins?

I believe Ableton's plugins are their own format. They're certainly not hostable in any other VST or AU compatible host that I know of. They might be implemented using some of the same code, though.

anto wrote: some ableton plugins are not vst? or all the Ableton plugins are not vst?
which kind of plugins are Ableton plugins?

None of Ableton plugins are vst's.

anto wrote:au plugins use the same buffer latency of vst plugin?

I believe so.

anto wrote:there are some kind of plugins which doesn't use the plugin buffer

Only Live's native plugins as far as I know.

twisted-space wrote:

anto wrote: some ableton plugins are not vst? or all the Ableton plugins are not vst?
which kind of plugins are Ableton plugins?

None of Ableton plugins are vst's.

anto wrote:au plugins use the same buffer latency of vst plugin?

I believe so.

anto wrote:there are some kind of plugins which doesn't use the plugin buffer

Only Live's native plugins as far as I know.

thanks again for the clarification

9V wrote:Hardware synths have 7ms latency.

Whatever gave you that idea?