running ableton live on 2 laptops??

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:14 am

computo wrote:I mean, once a product is legally purchased, the user should be, and legally probably is, allowed to do whatever in the bounds of their imagination they can do, short of beating someone to death with it.

does that include cracking it and sending it across the internet? Where do you draw the line with this creativity of yours?

borg · Post by **borg** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:55 am

computo wrote:So whats with this "you have to have 2 copies of the software to run it on 2 computers" crap? I know thats what the user agreement says...

just like i said... 'you should buy...' it's up to you. the software market is something strange. people having paid for NI stuff don't even OWN it. they just have bought a licence to use it...

computo · Post by **computo** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:34 pm

I wont even reply to sweetjesus's ignorant and thoughtless comment, other than to say, cracking, in no way, expresses creativity.

Anyways, the software market is something strange and unique...at least the audio software market is, unless you work Audio Hijack in there...

but, what other musical device is "protected" like that? other than CD's? Besides, since when can companies sell a license to do something? Isnt that the states job? I mean, cars are sold by companies, but the license is the states responsibility. And there is a reason for that. The Car company cant be the one licensing, because then if the purchaser did something to piss off the car maker, then the carmaker would have complete say over whether that customer would ever drive the car. Then if the driver is an idiot, breaks the law, the state takes over, not some company. what is there, to stop ableton to relinquish my license for just talking about this? None. Hence the inherently bullshit aspect of this concept.

nexus-6 · Post by **nexus-6** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:41 pm

easy now guys,dont get over heated

(can someone remember what that free software name was,that did so u could run 2 laptops in sync??

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 5:10 pm

you said that using the software on two computers at the same time is something derived from your imagination, and using it in that manner is a form of creativity for you.

with software because it's not tangible, you don't purchase the actual software. What you do is purchase a license to use that software and are bound by the terms of that agreement.

Other than missing the point when it comes to how software works, your analogy is flawed even more when you start comparing Live and another instrument. For example, when you purchase a synth, you can use that wherever you want, but you cannot magically turn that one synth into two synths and run the side by side just because your imagination tells you you can do more things that way. Yes, two synths running together may be cool and it is possible, but you need 2 synths to do that.

Also theres lots to stop Ableton from relinquishing your license just for talking about this, it's called the law, read up on it sometime. If your statements were true then there would be millions of Windows users with their licenses revoked because they diss it (go to www.slashdot.org) for a good site where lots of windows and non windows users tend to diss windows, but microsoft cannot do anything about it.

As for your comments about my ignorance and thoughtlessness, I sometimes make a living from consulting for technological matters and I bet my copy of ableton live that I've put more thought into the matter than you have. My comment was meant to show an extreme example of your logic and if you did actually put some thought into it, the underlying meaning was that just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should be allowed to.

computo wrote:I wont even reply to sweetjesus's ignorant and thoughtless comment, other than to say, cracking, in no way, expresses creativity.

nolus · Post by **nolus** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:48 pm

Just run the second (and third and fourth, etc..) copies of live in demo mode if your conscience bothers you. Should be ok for most situations.

computo · Post by **computo** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 12:22 am

after writing a long reply, My window refreshed and I lost my retort, but let me say this...

Sweet jesus, your last comments only prove your ignorance.

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 5:15 am

hey if you wanna be a child and just say shit like 'this proves you're ignorant' then do so. I was trying to engage in deep conversation. Obviously you've lived a sheltered life and cannot handle a passionate arguement without being rude.

Dare I say you were raised by Fox ?