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Tarekith wrote:The analog ones

I think we're just more persistent!
You can read that how you want.

Honestly give me all of it!
Tube, Solid State, Analogue, Digital.
I love it all!

Tarekith wrote:The analog ones

What, from having to lift all that heavy gear around? LOL

DJVespers wrote:

Tarekith wrote:The analog ones

What, from having to lift all that heavy gear around? LOL

Right, not being afraid of analog gear because it's heavy would be a start towards being a tougher person!
Seriously, that has never been my concern in gear purchasing..... "Oh gee? it sounds great but it weighs more than 8 pounds!"

Unless you have a bad back I have never gotten why anybody would think like that? but then I owned a Marshall Major half stack. The head alone was around 80 pounds! Probably about four times the weight that most people here consider and intolerable amount for their entire live setup!

DJVespers wrote:Good insights mate. I agree, to a point. On the flipside, DAWs and plugins have a major learning curve on them. With the rate at which new software is coming out, it's possible to be a student your entire life and a master never. The jack of all trades and master of none. So many people I come across know their software at only a surface level, because they're always fixated on the newest thing. Victims of savvy marketing and availability of pirated warez

Rather, I've always opted to delve into the tools I have chosen more deeply. Given all the time in the world, I'd try out all the DAWs. But given that time is not something you can currently buy more of, I've chosen to focus on a narrower range of tools.

Interestingly enough, a lot of good ideas or basis for tracks I've had over the years have been when trying out a new thing, including betas of new upgrades. In fact I reckon the ratio is probably something like 70-30% - mainly because when trying out something new I'm more likely to start a new idea with it. Otherwise I can be stuck in tweak land for sometimes quite literally years.

Saying that, I'm pretty much where I want to be with Live + Komplete + Waves, and I find I don't even really use Waves or Komplete as much because I often find it easier to stay in Live. I mean if I have a specific job like music for a video or something where I have a really clear picture of what I have to do then I can do it really quick in Live. The flip side of that is if I don't have a specific idea then I can just fuck around forever. What usually happens then is I load up old sets (often started during betas etc!) and endlessly tweak.

Machinesworking wrote:

DJVespers wrote:

Tarekith wrote:The analog ones

What, from having to lift all that heavy gear around? LOL

Right, not being afraid of analog gear because it's heavy would be a start towards being a tougher person!
Seriously, that has never been my concern in gear purchasing..... "Oh gee? it sounds great but it weighs more than 8 pounds!"

Unless you have a bad back I have never gotten why anybody would think like that? but then I owned a Marshall Major half stack. The head alone was around 80 pounds! Probably about four times the weight that most people here consider and intolerable amount for their entire live setup!

then there's those of us who started out as roadies and now have fucked backs. My definition of heavy lifting is carrying a 300kg mixer up 8 flights of stairs that are too narrow to get enough guys around in 38 deg C. heat.

I'll take the laptop thanks.

Forge. wrote: then there's those of us who started out as roadies and now have fucked backs. My definition of heavy lifting is carrying a 300kg mixer up 8 flights of stairs that are too narrow to get enough guys around in 38 deg C. heat.

I'll take the laptop thanks.

I like how you bragged about hurting your back?

Let me point out something in this thread.

Unless you have a bad back I have never gotten why anybody would think like that?

Machinesworking wrote:

Forge. wrote: then there's those of us who started out as roadies and now have fucked backs. My definition of heavy lifting is carrying a 300kg mixer up 8 flights of stairs that are too narrow to get enough guys around in 38 deg C. heat.

I'll take the laptop thanks.

I like how you bragged about hurting your back?

Let me point out something in this thread.

Unless you have a bad back I have never gotten why anybody would think like that?

well YOU were bragging about your 80 pound Marshall and how no one round here would want to lift more than that for their whole rig.

I guess I fell for it. And see this scar here? This one I got wrestling a crocodile.....

Anyway, having actually done shit like that, I don't see it as bragging, I see it as pointing out what a fucking stupid thing to do it is. No matter whose backstage pass you get.

Forge. wrote: Anyway, having actually done shit like that, I don't see it as bragging, I see it as pointing out what a fucking stupid thing to do it is. No matter whose backstage pass you get.

Not at all trying to be rude, but there are ways of lifting things that do not injure your back, lifting 300+ pounds of gear isn't it, though being a roadie pretty much is a back injury in and of itself.
My point is a little anaerobic exercise from lifting your own gear in the realm of 80lbs which any healthy person should be fine with, is not the enemy, laziness though...

Machinesworking wrote:

Forge. wrote: Anyway, having actually done shit like that, I don't see it as bragging, I see it as pointing out what a fucking stupid thing to do it is. No matter whose backstage pass you get.

Not at all trying to be rude, but there are ways of lifting things that do not injure your back, lifting 300+ pounds of gear isn't it, though being a roadie pretty much is a back injury in and of itself.
My point is a little anaerobic exercise from lifting your own gear in the realm of 80lbs which any healthy person should be fine with, is not the enemy, laziness though...

trouble with those kind of jobs though is you invariably end up having to carry it around a corner, on stairs and things like that which totally throw the proper lifting idea out the window. And that was 300 KILOS - about 6-700lbs - a mixer like the old PM3000 which was about 5-6 feet long and maybe 1 foot thick in it's case - there's no safe way to get that around a corner on stairs with not enough guys.

Maybe that's changed in the age of health and safety and they've installed elevators everywhere - but even maybe 6 years ago I did a one off job for my mate's company (we started out together as shit kickers, now he owns his own company and spends half the year in thailand living like a king! but anyway....) I did this one job where there was loads of staging - really big awkward sets made out of MDF and the like, and because it wasn't nice and neatly sized to fit through doors etc, after that gig I couldn't walk for 3 or 4 days.. That was the last time I did anything like that.

Machinesworking wrote:

Forge. wrote: Anyway, having actually done shit like that, I don't see it as bragging, I see it as pointing out what a fucking stupid thing to do it is. No matter whose backstage pass you get.

Not at all trying to be rude, but there are ways of lifting things that do not injure your back, lifting 300+ pounds of gear isn't it, though being a roadie pretty much is a back injury in and of itself.
My point is a little anaerobic exercise from lifting your own gear in the realm of 80lbs which any healthy person should be fine with, is not the enemy, laziness though...

king of lazy here!!! ask me anything..
(also used to be a roadie..)

Forge. wrote:
trouble with those kind of jobs though is you invariably end up having to carry it around a corner, on stairs and things like that which totally throw the proper lifting idea out the window. And that was 300 KILOS - about 6-700lbs - a mixer like the old PM3000 which was about 5-6 feet long and maybe 1 foot thick in it's case - there's no safe way to get that around a corner on stairs with not enough guys.

Yeah that's why I only think the rare monster who's 250+ pounds of pure healthy muscle with no family history of back injuries should be a roadie full time. Like I said, that job is a back injury in and of itself.
The funny thing is AGAIN, I'm talking about 80 pound pieces of equipment, weights anybody should be able to manage, but the conversation immediately became 700 pounds and no elevator as a justification for a macbook and Launchpad in a backpack.

Seems that everything is getting smaller. I think it's a good thing. I value portability. One day everyone will be walking around w/ their cell phones stuck in their ear. Wait, they already do that! That shit annoys the hell out of me for some unknown reason.
Anyway, my entire set-up fits in my back-pack(for the most part.)
I do love analog gear though.
Fuck it. That's what roadies are for.