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Re: Geez, Ableton 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:13 pm
by 3dot...
yeah..I might be a bit touchy on the subject..
because constant crashes are not cool ..
especially on a program that's titled "Live"..and ESPECIALLY during a session+ ...
the software was clearly not ready...
and beta ended abruptly..without fixes to ongoing issues..
nevermind man..I'm over it..really..
and 8.2.5..is quite solid for me..
(in relation to other versions)
about the promises..an empty promise = unfulfilled promise..
Re: Geez, Ableton 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:18 pm
by strode420
Qualification - this is just a rumor....
Someone who's opinion i trust and i consider in "the know" just got back from NAMM and said Ableton 9 is OVER A YEAR OUT STILL.
Again, no confirmation or evidence or official statements, but that timeframe isn't surprising given the silence we've seen. I wouldn't be surprised if they're waiting for BWS to drop and then poach anything they didn't think of themselves before beta/release.
I also love conjecture and speculation
Re: Geez, Ableton 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:28 pm
by H20nly
my friend saw Live 9 at the grocery store.
Re: Geez, Ableton 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:32 pm
by 3dot...
vaporware... they're gonna go straight to 11..
Re: Geez, Ableton 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:46 pm
by Nicknackerski
ark wrote:I don't know whether you remember this, but a couple of years ago, the CEO of Ableton posted a message in this forum that he felt his company had disappointed his customers by releaseing a product (Live 8, of course) with so many bugs that many customers found it unusable. As a result, he said, he was ceasing all work on new features and overhauling the development process until Live was stable enough that he could feel proud of it again.
I commented at the time that this move took a lot of courage, but it was the right thing to do. Many companies in a similar situation would have tried to muddle through, and my experience in the software development world is that such muddling usually doesn't work.
Since then, Live has become much more reliable. If I imagine what the Ableton folks must be thinking, foremost in my imagination is that idea that they do not want to repeat this particular mistake. In particular, I'm confident that they must be thinking that when they release Live 9, they do not want the first customer response to be to complain about how buggy it is. As a result, it does not surprise me in the least that Live 9 is taking longer than people expect.
Ha, April 2009 until now to fix bugs?
Re: Geez, Ableton 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:48 pm
by ionic
Ableton Colorado claims on his Facebook that Ableton 9 is a year or more out. via Huston
Re: Geez, Ableton 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:55 pm
by regretfullySaid
well fuck it, it's better to think it'll be another year and see it come out before that than vice versa.
Re: Geez, Ableton 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:59 pm
by taoyoyo
H20nly wrote:my friend saw Live 9 at the grocery store.
Is your friend Elvis?
Re: Geez, Ableton 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:00 pm
by agent314
I wouldn't be surprised if they're waiting for BWS to drop and then poach anything they didn't think of themselves before beta/release.
That's not how software development works, especially not for a program with as much complexity and interrlatedness of parts as Live
Re: Geez, Ableton 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:11 pm
by skatr2
Nicknackerski wrote:ark wrote:I don't know whether you remember this, but a couple of years ago, the CEO of Ableton posted a message in this forum that he felt his company had disappointed his customers by releaseing a product (Live 8, of course) with so many bugs that many customers found it unusable. As a result, he said, he was ceasing all work on new features and overhauling the development process until Live was stable enough that he could feel proud of it again.
I commented at the time that this move took a lot of courage, but it was the right thing to do. Many companies in a similar situation would have tried to muddle through, and my experience in the software development world is that such muddling usually doesn't work.
Since then, Live has become much more reliable. If I imagine what the Ableton folks must be thinking, foremost in my imagination is that idea that they do not want to repeat this particular mistake. In particular, I'm confident that they must be thinking that when they release Live 9, they do not want the first customer response to be to complain about how buggy it is. As a result, it does not surprise me in the least that Live 9 is taking longer than people expect.
Ha, April 2009 until now to fix bugs?
What bugs are holding you back? It seems to run well for most in both production and live environments since 8.25.
Re: Geez, Ableton 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:12 pm
by strode420
agent314 wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if they're waiting for BWS to drop and then poach anything they didn't think of themselves before beta/release.
That's not how software development works, especially not for a program with as much complexity and interrlatedness of parts as Live
Like i said, i like conjecture lol. (but i know nothing of coding and software development, so i'm sure you're accurate).
edit - and i wasn't going to name names, but it looks like ionic just did.
Re: Geez, Ableton 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:15 pm
by Nicknackerski
ionic wrote:Ableton Colorado claims on his Facebook that Ableton 9 is a year or more out. via Huston
Consider the cat well and truly amongst the pigeons.
That leaves a whole year for other software manufacturers to steal abletons customers
Re: Geez, Ableton 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:17 pm
by kb420
Lot of BITCHIN' and MOANIN' goin' on here!!!!
Re: Geez, Ableton 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:27 pm
by Nicknackerski
skatr2 wrote:Nicknackerski wrote:ark wrote:I don't know whether you remember this, but a couple of years ago, the CEO of Ableton posted a message in this forum that he felt his company had disappointed his customers by releaseing a product (Live 8, of course) with so many bugs that many customers found it unusable. As a result, he said, he was ceasing all work on new features and overhauling the development process until Live was stable enough that he could feel proud of it again.
I commented at the time that this move took a lot of courage, but it was the right thing to do. Many companies in a similar situation would have tried to muddle through, and my experience in the software development world is that such muddling usually doesn't work.
Since then, Live has become much more reliable. If I imagine what the Ableton folks must be thinking, foremost in my imagination is that idea that they do not want to repeat this particular mistake. In particular, I'm confident that they must be thinking that when they release Live 9, they do not want the first customer response to be to complain about how buggy it is. As a result, it does not surprise me in the least that Live 9 is taking longer than people expect.
Ha, April 2009 until now to fix bugs?
What bugs are holding you back? It seems to run well for most in both production and live environments since 8.25.
What a great time to ask
I got a crash last night on simply dragging a sample from Finder into the Session window.
The Restore feature from undo didn't work, instead taking me back to about half an hour previous.
I Lost work because i didn't command+S every 30 seconds. (8.2.7 Crash recorded and sent to ableton BTW)
Who knows if it was ableton or Lion, Plugin, just bad luck.
My point is there'll always be new bugs as upgrades occur, is live going to stay at 8 forever because of this?
Re: Geez, Ableton 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:34 pm
by gjm
Nicknackerski wrote:That leaves a whole year for other software manufacturers to steal abletons customers
Most people are fundamentally not that loyal. Although there are some around who do not have a second or third DAW on their computer, most can make their way around more than just Live. I would say for the majority, Live is an option they have or choose when they need it. Even if they did move onto another DAW as first choice, then most would hold onto their Live license rather than sell out of curiosity. Ableton know that most of their customers are already other companies customers.