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theophilus wrote:how does the 'woodwind-staccato perc'? and the 'string low ensemble - piano'? are they 'mixed', and so inseperable, or can they be played separately somewhat?

They are made from layered samplers with macro controls for mixing between.

Thanks for asking the question because I didn't realize there was a xylophone sample in there. The piano sample isn't very exciting though, only the bottom octave and a bit.

Also I take back my earlier remark about the demos being misleading, those piano bass notes and orchestral percussion sounds I heard were probably from these patches after all.

Seems strange they are not mentioned in the product description.

I think the product is satisfactory but not for the price. Even $50 would be a bit steep.
I really think it is better to save your pennies and get ProjectSam Orchestra Essentials

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I can attest that it was a bit misleading. I had the "oh...that's it??" effect when I saw that there were limited sounds. There were loop phrases in there that I didn't expect (was expecting more play-ability). However, the sounds were amazing that were there. Very realistic. You just can't rely on these for everything orchestral. You'll still need to pair it with other stuff, but paired up, you can do some serious damage. If I had to pick between this and philharmonic, philharmonic all the way.

Even $50 would be a bit steep.

No, that would be a steal

99 dollars for these samples is a great deal.

Well, as usual Ableton addressed my concern in a great way.



Man, I love this company.

Here's a track I made using the Legato Strings and Legato Brass sections -> http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=177248

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c33 wrote:I've heard the samples for NI's Session Strings -it's $119- and this collection blows it out of the water.

Totally worth the price.

nice

I am happy with the strings in EIC - but I find I may have judged the collection too soon.

The reason?
Failure to adjust characteristics like attack, release and tremolo.

There may be more here than I originally realized.

c33 wrote:I've heard the samples for NI's Session Strings -it's $119- and this collection blows it out of the water.

Totally worth the price.

It's really apple and oranges. Sessions String are strings and a small library at that. A true orchestra library is huge and expensive other than Garritan Personal Orchestra and Kirk Hunter's Diamond. IK's Miroslav Philharminc is another affordable library.