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No, it's not the same.

If you are making an arrangement, say, based on cycles of 32, it's nice to have your sections start at 1, 33, 65, etc. If you have right-shifted your arrangment, all of that is thrown off. It's true that there is a workaround, but it's not the same thing.

Just my $.02. Not looking for any trouble

glaive wrote:No, it's not the same.

If you are making an arrangement, say, based on cycles of 32,
it's nice to have your sections start at 1, 33, 65, etc.
If you have right-shifted your arrangment, all of that is thrown off.
It's true that there is a workaround, but it's not the same thing.

Just my $.02. Not looking for any trouble

That is a good way to put it. I certainly don't want to start a pissing match in here (Amer slang: pointless argument).

I think people have been skimming over my posts and missing the simplicity of the issue, which really isn't an "issue," for lack of a better term.
This is certainly due to my propensity to use way too many words when communicating.

For me it's all about moving that intro measure or measures completely before the "One" in the Beat Time Ruler, into negative measures, whether it's a fill, lead-in notes, count-in, ambient noise or whatever.

[This whole time, I've been using the term "zero" when I should have been using "one," since the Beat Time Line starts on measure One, and there is no such thing as a measure zero.]

Any other workaround that doesn't add measures before measure One in the Beat Time Ruler, isn't going to do it.

I certainly appreciate everyone who has offered their help on this. This is one of the better forums on the internet, in which people are generally very responsive and helpful. Thanks to all of you!

I bet the feature shows up in a later revision.

Maybe we should move this thread to "Future Wishlist."

It's a cool feature of Logic, especially useful for overdubs.

glaive wrote:No, it's not the same.

If you are making an arrangement, say, based on cycles of 32, it's nice to have your sections start at 1, 33, 65, etc. If you have right-shifted your arrangment, all of that is thrown off. It's true that there is a workaround, but it's not the same thing.

Just my $.02. Not looking for any trouble

start at 101?

there is another sollution :
(1) add another empty midi track
(2) set loop to 1 bar
(3) insert midi clip
(4) rename the new clip to 'bar -2'
(5) go back to (3) but now name your clip 'bar -1'
(5) go back to (3) but now name your clip 'bar 0'
(5) go back to (3) but now name your clip 'bar 1'
(5) go back to (3) but now name your clip 'bar 2'
....

I use this trick a lot to explain to mc's where they have to start rapping and where the chorus will start etc: they can see the ableton timeline from behind their mic and there is a big red midiclip named 'start rapping now' that begins right at the point where they have to ... start rapping
and ends where they have to ... stop rapping

mr-e wrote:and ends where they have to ... stop rapping

Bwaaa haa haa! Good one. Nice tip, too.