analog style step sequencing with push...possible?
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Re: analog style step sequencing with push...possible?
It's certainly just a matter of time.
either someone will remote script one, OR M4L.
All control surfaces can be modified.
either someone will remote script one, OR M4L.
All control surfaces can be modified.
Re: analog style step sequencing with push...possible?
If scripts/software could make push fully control mono sequencer I'd definitely pay for it.
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This will definitely happen.
No question.
No question.
Re: analog style step sequencing with push...possible?
If we could step sequence instruments and fx parameter locks style push would be the absolute dream. And its already excellent.
Re: analog style step sequencing with push...possible?
Yeah, really surprised they didn't think to implement that on Push but I think it's a limitation of Live itself? Abes should learn from how Maschine does it:Acid303 wrote:fx parameter locks style push would be the absolute dream.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdJh4FMNhNE&t=05m20s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsuSiUCek4g&t=52s
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Re: analog style step sequencing with push...possible?
it will happen PUSH
Maschine was not what it is today when it was released.
Maschine was not what it is today when it was released.
Re: analog style step sequencing with push...possible?
step sequencing of fx is absolutely possible within live at this moment already, regardless of the push.
check out tom cosms implementation, he's already developed a means of step sequencing dummy clips to control fx parameters.
The other way would be to convert notes to cc messages, and use an iac loop to send them into a remote midi in.
check out tom cosms implementation, he's already developed a means of step sequencing dummy clips to control fx parameters.
The other way would be to convert notes to cc messages, and use an iac loop to send them into a remote midi in.
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Re: analog style step sequencing with push...possible?
Actually they shouldn't. It's a bitch to edit and that's not per step automation. You open automation on one step and have to close it on another. Please, don't implement this.humnumb wrote:Yeah, really surprised they didn't think to implement that on Push but I think it's a limitation of Live itself? Abes should learn from how Maschine does itAcid303 wrote:fx parameter locks style push would be the absolute dream.
Re: analog style step sequencing with push...possible?
Can't you just route midi from an empty drum rack to the instrument you want to step sequence?
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Ableton 9.0.2
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MPK49/APC40/Push
Re: analog style step sequencing with push...possible?
Maschine's step automation works differently from the way it works on Elektron gear. Both approaches have advantages and disadvantages. Elektron's step parameter lock only changes one step at a time so if you want to make changes to more than one step, you have to repeat the process on every single step. Maschine's approach makes changes starting with the step you have selected to the rest of the steps in that pattern. The advantage here is that you can quickly make changes to multiple steps at once. So to just make a change on a single step or a particular range of steps, you just need to make a single change to the step right after where you want the step automation to stop.djadonis206 wrote:Actually they shouldn't. It's a bitch to edit and that's not per step automation. You open automation on one step and have to close it on another. Please, don't implement this.humnumb wrote:Yeah, really surprised they didn't think to implement that on Push but I think it's a limitation of Live itself? Abes should learn from how Maschine does it:Acid303 wrote:fx parameter locks style push would be the absolute dream.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdJh4FMNhNE&t=05m20s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsuSiUCek4g&t=52s
Anyway, Ableton doesn't need to copy exactly how other tools have implemented it and can figure out their own way of doing it but either way, it's useful to know what existing solutions are already there and how they work.
Re: analog style step sequencing with push...possible?
certainly, for step sequencing melodies that works well (also for vst effects which take midi, like stutter edit, etc). However, for fx sequencing (of native fx), you need to have a loop in place to get the midi to come through a midi device which is set to 'remote'.diordna wrote:Can't you just route midi from an empty drum rack to the instrument you want to step sequence?
Re: analog style step sequencing with push...possible?
I have step sequencing of notes working in push with m4l, but its not ready to share yet. if someone wants to help develop they are welcome to join.
currently i can takeover the 16 buttons at the top. you press a step here and then enter notes as usual in note mode. its just entered in that step. you can also enter chords and it will enter the relevent velocities and subtle time differences between each note in the gesture. the scene buttons are used to select the clip position.
im not brave enough to look at step sequencing parms. once i finish the note sequencing, i need to get music making. too much hacking and programming at the moment!
currently i can takeover the 16 buttons at the top. you press a step here and then enter notes as usual in note mode. its just entered in that step. you can also enter chords and it will enter the relevent velocities and subtle time differences between each note in the gesture. the scene buttons are used to select the clip position.
im not brave enough to look at step sequencing parms. once i finish the note sequencing, i need to get music making. too much hacking and programming at the moment!
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Re: analog style step sequencing with push...possible?
If I were to do elektron style parameter locks, I think what would be worth exploring is putting a layer between the push controller and directly picking up the encoders.
You could cache the sequence (made by a combo of holding a button while turning a dial) in your layer in the middle, then send that output as remote data to lives push midi input- which would be what live records.
This way your automation layer is always working on the device that your push encoders are set to manipulate directly. push handles all the mapping for you. once the current step mods are recorded into the clip, then the in between layer doesn't have to keep sending the info. it would have to listen for changes to get bidirectional updates though so any future step mods wouldn't throw away clip data.
Then its up to us to determine how to set per step and slide parameters to get smooth interpolation between p locks.
This would be super exciting if we could get it going...
You could cache the sequence (made by a combo of holding a button while turning a dial) in your layer in the middle, then send that output as remote data to lives push midi input- which would be what live records.
This way your automation layer is always working on the device that your push encoders are set to manipulate directly. push handles all the mapping for you. once the current step mods are recorded into the clip, then the in between layer doesn't have to keep sending the info. it would have to listen for changes to get bidirectional updates though so any future step mods wouldn't throw away clip data.
Then its up to us to determine how to set per step and slide parameters to get smooth interpolation between p locks.
This would be super exciting if we could get it going...
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Re: analog style step sequencing with push...possible?
So anyone working on anything like this? I can see anything happening so far. If push worked perfectly with mono sequencer it would be amazing.
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Re: analog style step sequencing with push...possible?
I added to the MonoSequencer patch to work with the APC40, was asked not to share it by the creator of the mono sequencer.
Works great though.
There was a small hint of the MonoSequencer patch getting modified to work with ALL matrix controllers.
However, I doubt it will work as good as one hopes for in a personalized manner, better to patch your own.
Works great though.
There was a small hint of the MonoSequencer patch getting modified to work with ALL matrix controllers.
However, I doubt it will work as good as one hopes for in a personalized manner, better to patch your own.