Bit-bridging in Live 9?

[deanthomastunes]

I'm astounded at some people's excuses for Ableton's laziness.

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Almost all mayor plugs have been updated to 64 bits, if not it means their developers a) are out of the biz, b) are lazy and you should not expect support.

Ableton is not responsible for other developers shortcommings

[oddstep]

If not, this is a deal-breaker.

more ultimatum posts!!!
There it is. Ableton have broken their agreement with you to provide an integrated bit bridge. Good luck with FL Studio or whatever Bitwig turns out to be.

[cstump]

If not, this is a deal-breaker.

more ultimatum posts!!!
There it is. Ableton have broken their agreement with you to provide an integrated bit bridge. Good luck with FL Studio or whatever Bitwig turns out to be.

I agree it does get old reading these demands, as if the world will end if the demand is not met.

I guess we all suffer sometimes from our own self importance.

[deanthomastunes]

The point is, they are charging a rather ridiculous amount of money for an update that contains next to very little actual updates.

I'm tired of having to use poxy workarounds for everything.

[andydes]

I think nearly everybody has a use for a bit bridge. Just think of this ONE (freeware)
plugin that you love and that is not ported to 64 bit...

Yes, it would have been stupid to put ressources on developing a new, own bit bridge
with potential bugs.

They should just have licensed this 15 euro app jBridge for 5 euro per sold Live license,
fully integrate it into Live (which is very simple I read on jBridge site) and charge
10 euros more for Live. And everbody would be happy ! jBridge works in every direction,
so you simply never had to think again about if you are on a 32/64 bit system running
the 32/64 bit version of Live, which plugin version...

But no, Ableton does not care about simplicity anymore.

I use only live instruments and ones that have 64 bit versions

So you want me to subsidise your use of 32 plugins in live 64 bit?

How exactly would that make me happy?

I'm all for charity in hard times, but it's not like putting food on the table for your famished children.

Just buy the bridge, you god damn scrounging cheapskate.

[donmich]

For me the big downer about this is its not just shitty old freeware devs and losers that are still 32, its almost every significant reverb plug except for altiverb and perhaps Tsar 1. What i cant reconcile is why its so quick and seemingly easy for some companies to port to 64 bit, yet some of the more major players are making it out to be like moving mountains. Or they do it for PC and years later produce one for the mac. Why so hard for mac?

I finally tried Jbridge for Mac yesterday and while it works and bless him for making it, it was clunky, the gui does not open inside the DAW, is only VST and it crashed twice.

So companies whose official statement includes "theres always jbridge" are a bit frustrating. I stil, get why they dont want to open the can of worms from a business and support perspective but maybe the holdout Daws should throw a bit of money for a cut, at a debeloper who can deliver a more seemless solution and let them support it.

[Coupe70]

I use only live instruments and ones that have 64 bit versions

Good for you. But not everybody can or does.

Just buy the bridge, you god damn scrounging cheapskate.

Buying jbridge does not replace a fully integrated bit bridge.
Ableton could have done this by licensing jbridge and easily integrating it
instead of putting resources in developing an own and probably worse bit bridge.

And if I read this thread correctly there is a demand for an integrated
bit bridge. I never read any requests asking for another compressor. And yes,
perhaps there are some people who had to "sudsidise" this feature, like I am
subsidising (for me) useless things like the Glue, a new browser, countless DAW
features in a former live performance software, etc, etc.

[andydes]

Fair enough, if jbridge and the alternatives are a bit clunky and unreliable, that's a fair argument.

I was just taking the piss out of the idea that ableton hiking up the price for everyone so some users don't have to pay quite as much for a bridge was a win win situation.

[deanthomastunes]

And if I read this thread correctly there is a demand for an integrated
bit bridge. I never read any requests asking for another compressor. And yes,
perhaps there are some people who had to "sudsidise" this feature, like I am
subsidising (for me) useless things like the Glue, a new browser, countless DAW
features in a former live performance software, etc, etc.

Exactly.

For example, I don't need session-view automation.

[oddstep]

I can't imagine not wanting session automation. Are you just working in arrangement or with premixed audio clips when you play live?

[kitekrazy]

Fair enough, if jbridge and the alternatives are a bit clunky and unreliable, that's a fair argument.

I was just taking the piss out of the idea that ableton hiking up the price for everyone so some users don't have to pay quite as much for a bridge was a win win situation.

The only developers who did a better job of bit bridging than jbridge was Reaper. When Sonar was able to use both, it was unstable at first. Presonus doesn't use a bitbridge yet. Most of the time people install 32 and 64 bit versions of software.
Unless you are using romplers there is no advantage of 64 bit plugins. Developers who make money provide both versions these days.
So far IK Multimedia has not created a 64bit version of Sampletank.

[turnitto11]

The lack of bit-bridging was a huge disappointment to me as well. Seems that loads of people want this and were asking for it, and it wasn't delivered. But hey, just the beta is out now. Maybe by the time Live 9 actually get's released, 32/64 bit-bridging will be ready to go. Wishful thinking, but it's a possibility.

[oddstep]

What's wrong with using jbridge?

[Upright]

I believe it's coming, it's just not implemented yet...the Live 9 beta page says it's coming. Yes 64-bit is the way forward but I'm all for bit-bridge because there's nothing wrong with easing change in slowly and supporting those that maybe don't have an upgrade option. I have a few plugs that I paid good money for that I would like to use in my 64-bit host.