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deva wrote:4 years from now Bitwig users will be complaining about how the developers are not listening to users, and how any professional DAW should feature X and Y that it is still missing...

4? i almost agreed.


then i thought about it... IF they ever actually release the software... the cycle will begin immediately.




if you build it, they will whine...

cacti wrote:SOUNDFLOWER.

Soundflower is kinda cool, but falls way short of Rewire if you want to run two programs in sync. Soundflower is MAC only, doesn't pass MIDI and doesn't sync (bpm, transport, loops, etc) the two programs together.

Da hand wrote:

cacti wrote:SOUNDFLOWER.

Soundflower is kinda cool, but falls way short of Rewire if you want to run two programs in sync. Soundflower is MAC only, doesn't pass MIDI and doesn't sync (bpm, transport, loops, etc) the two programs together.

On Mac the ability to pass MIDI to other applications is built in with IAC midi, through this you can at least sync tempo between two programs. I've often wondered why someone doesn't build a better ReWire anyway. Not many DAWs can run as slaves, and almost all DAWs lose their ability to host VST and AU plug ins in ReWire mode.

H20nly wrote: then i thought about it... IF they ever actually release the software... the cycle will begin immediately.
if you build it, they will whine...

guys, it started at least a year ago.

Machinesworking wrote:I've often wondered why someone doesn't build a better ReWire anyway. Not many DAWs can run as slaves, and almost all DAWs lose their ability to host VST and AU plug ins in ReWire mode.

That is only the limitation imposed by the DAWs themselves, not Rewire. This is proven by the fact that certain DAWs can run as both Masters and Slaves and can host VSTs while in slave mode.

Da hand wrote:

Machinesworking wrote:I've often wondered why someone doesn't build a better ReWire anyway. Not many DAWs can run as slaves, and almost all DAWs lose their ability to host VST and AU plug ins in ReWire mode.

That is only the limitation imposed by the DAWs themselves, not Rewire. This is proven by the fact that certain DAWs can run as both Masters and Slaves and can host VSTs while in slave mode.

The only one I've heard of that can do that is Fruity Loops, One application on one OS. Please inform me of others if they exist.

Acid Pro does as well. Haven't tried/researched others, but even one application shows that it is possible and now we have two

Cool, but both are Windows apps... IMO although they have succeeded I'm pretty certain that it's because they found undocumented work arounds instead of a nice robust cross platform solution. You're correct in every way that it's very obviously all there. I was able in OSX to set up three apps to act as a ReWire solution thats didn't cripple anything, but it's tedious at best and one of the three apps (if anyone is curious MIDI Clock, the other two apps I used are Soundflower and the AIC built int) is now legacy PPC, so not supported in later Macs.

As it stands in the two DAWs I use: Live and Digital Performer I rarely use ReWire. I just port audio between the two etc.

Da hand wrote:Acid Pro does as well. Haven't tried/researched others, but even one application shows that it is possible and now we have two

I wonder what happens if the rewire slave has VST/AU plugins that introduce latency.
Can the rewire master apply PDC considering latency changes of the slave? I guess not.