Alot of plugin sales-fabfilter won't be competing

[Tarekith]

They all have demo versions you can download, give them a try and see which you prefer. A couple hours actually using the tools you're thinking about buying is probably time well spent when we're talking about these dollar amounts.

[mholloway]

I see absolutely no advantage to using FabFilter's EQ and Comp over the native Live content, especially now with the Live 9 updates (yes I'm beta testing). If UI is really that important to you, then redundantly drop the money, but I think people are falling for 'it must be better' syndrome here. I've used FF stuff and i really don't 'hear' a difference in the sound quality or "cleanliness," lol. Live's stuff works great, don't be fooled by flashy 3rd party hype all the time. IMHO, of course.

I used to own the entire FF bundle, and sold it once I realize how redundant it was. I won't make that mistake again.

[Sage]

I have to agree, I was VERY impressed with the new Live 9 EQ and comps, they sound really nice.

so do you think they (comp and eq) compete with high quality plugins, like fab or ozone, or waves? I am on the fence , since I have not heard Live 9 new plugins yet..i have to take this forums advice on my decisions... it would save me over 200$ if i didn't buy these plugins from fabfilter.

If you follow the Parva Hinton link in my sig, some of the songs were mixed using the Waves SSL 4000 channel strips, others using Live's native plugins and others a combination of Live & Logic's native plugins. See if you can work out which is which. Should point out, I'm not the greatest at mixing.

[pencilrocket]

It's just digital EQ. You buy its UI and function. Not sound. There is no need to wait their sale unless you can't live without their UI. Get same result with the other tools.

Not true. They (FabFilter) know how to build very good quality digital filters and in my own experience the EQ is very very clean. The LPF is of very good quality. For me FabFilter plugins aren't just about the GUI.

My two cents.

Andrejs

Nah it's true. It's just UI and function. Digital is all clean. The problem is how much users knows what they are doing and how the plugin is working. No experienced users have achieved to provide two samples that listner can tell the differences of digital EQ. All buzzwords and hypes are provided by noobs who are trying to hype other people for the sake of preventing their buyer's remorse, and by the noobish marketing done by magazine & deveopler's marketing dept. Its UI is intuitive. I don't see the reason why noobs feel buyer's remorse, anyway.

[Machinesworking]

Aliasing and phase issues are a lie, and all EQ filter algorithms are exactly the same!

[mihai]

to be honest i really don't get what the deal about fabfilter is. i understand the gui is great eye candy and i do appreciate the snappy interface but they're not tools i see as having a leg up on competitors that can do just as good/better for lower prices.
the only plugin from them i would definitely say clicked with me most and has a justifiable price tag would be volcano, the way it functions does put it above other filters i've tried.

[pencilrocket]

indeed filter plugin is where developer can impliment their characteristic and originality of the sound unlike the case of clean digital EQ or clean digital Comp/Limiter.

[Machinesworking]

indeed filter plugin is where developer can impliment their characteristic and originality of the sound unlike the case of clean digital EQ or clean digital Comp/Limiter.

Here's the deal, every non linear EQ introduces phasing, it can sound to your ears either good or bad, but unless you specifically design a linear EQ you will have this.
EQ's are just filters really, and the "sound" of the EQ is the differences in how that individual EQ implements it's 'bands'. An EQ like EQ 8 and Pro Q are a lot alike for sure, but Ableton has flat out admitted in it's ad campaign that the new filters in the revamped EQ 8 (that looks a hell of a lot like Pro Q) are cleaner.
So no, there is no "clean" EQ universal C++ code that all developers wrap in cool GUIs and tube/vintage emulation to fool all of us.

I will give you this, a good EQ is a good EQ, and I think people are forgetting details in EQ's that help in the creative process. For instance I use PSP Neon and it's similar again to the new EQ 8 and Pro Q, but I really find the band frequency soloing and the fact it's the same GUI for a Linear EQ a bus EQ and a track EQ useful so I doubt I'll sell it because EQ 8 is a good EQ too.

Plus, Fabfilter make some great plug ins, it's not all hype. I think we're all just used to things being really cheap in software form, but having recently bought a bundle with the compressor, limiter and gate I'm pretty satisfied with them, there's a hell of a lot more control over the effect than anything I've seen native in Live, which is a plus to some of us. Plus they give a good discount to existing customers for the rest of their line, something I think Ableton should take a hint from.

[locojohn]

indeed filter plugin is where developer can impliment their characteristic and originality of the sound unlike the case of clean digital EQ or clean digital Comp/Limiter.

Here's the deal, every non linear EQ introduces phasing, it can sound to your ears either good or bad, but unless you specifically design a linear EQ you will have this.
EQ's are just filters really, and the "sound" of the EQ is the differences in how that individual EQ implements it's 'bands'. An EQ like EQ 8 and Pro Q are a lot alike for sure, but Ableton has flat out admitted in it's ad campaign that the new filters in the revamped EQ 8 (that looks a hell of a lot like Pro Q) are cleaner.
So no, there is no "clean" EQ universal C++ code that all developers wrap in cool GUIs and tube/vintage emulation to fool all of us.

I will give you this, a good EQ is a good EQ, and I think people are forgetting details in EQ's that help in the creative process. For instance I use PSP Neon and it's similar again to the new EQ 8 and Pro Q, but I really find the band frequency soloing and the fact it's the same GUI for a Linear EQ a bus EQ and a track EQ useful so I doubt I'll sell it because EQ 8 is a good EQ too.

Plus, Fabfilter make some great plug ins, it's not all hype. I think we're all just used to things being really cheap in software form, but having recently bought a bundle with the compressor, limiter and gate I'm pretty satisfied with them, there's a hell of a lot more control over the effect than anything I've seen native in Live, which is a plus to some of us. Plus they give a good discount to existing customers for the rest of their line, something I think Ableton should take a hint from.

Finally words of wisdom. Thank you very much.

Andrejs

[tech44]

I have to agree, I was VERY impressed with the new Live 9 EQ and comps, they sound really nice.

so do you think they (comp and eq) compete with high quality plugins, like fab or ozone, or waves? I am on the fence , since I have not heard Live 9 new plugins yet..i have to take this forums advice on my decisions... it would save me over 200$ if i didn't buy these plugins from fabfilter.

I'm really happy because ProQ and the Glue were actually the top 2 items on my 'buy' list before I tried 9, and now I'll just upgrade to and I don't have to buy either.

[pencilrocket]

EQ's are just filters really, and the "sound" of the EQ is the differences in how that individual EQ implements it's 'bands'. An EQ like ....

I can assume you have thought about why there is no demo showing the difference of the clearness about digital IIR EQs by the experts? I think it's surely because results are same for the ear. And the filters sold as a filter have their irregular shape/coloring/modeling. It's not accurate to compare Filter with simple filtering in the clean digital EQ.

Plus, Fabfilter make some great plug ins, it's not all hype......

I mentioned about where these annoying hypes come, but not their product quality.

[login]

Saturn is also unique, but overall it's their GUI's which are the best.

[tintala]

I have to agree, I was VERY impressed with the new Live 9 EQ and comps, they sound really nice.

so do you think they (comp and eq) compete with high quality plugins, like fab or ozone, or waves? I am on the fence , since I have not heard Live 9 new plugins yet..i have to take this forums advice on my decisions... it would save me over 200$ if i didn't buy these plugins from fabfilter.

I'm really happy because ProQ and the Glue were actually the top 2 items on my 'buy' list before I tried 9, and now I'll just upgrade to and I don't have to buy either.

Since I am no pro at mixing and EQ, that new eq in Live 9 better have a nice spectrum analyzer! The fabfilter one looks really intuitive for a noob at mixing... Damn I only have a couple days to decide!!!!

[Sage]

Claiming all digital EQs are totally the same and its all UI is just as much of a myth as saying they all sound different. In regards to phase, two EQs with the same curves, set to the exact same settings will sound exactly the same, as the phase is adjusted in the exact same way, so thats a total non-argument to EQs sounding different. Vintage EQ emulations generally add small amounts of harmonics, only need to add a frequency analyser to see this (Its insane to see how many people on Gearslutz claim otherwise when mentioning the digital EQ is always the same myth), so its not all UI and nothing else. If digital is just 1's & 0's, analogue is just transistors & capacitors...

[mihai]

indeed filter plugin is where developer can impliment their characteristic and originality of the sound unlike the case of clean digital EQ or clean digital Comp/Limiter.

Here's the deal, every non linear EQ introduces phasing, it can sound to your ears either good or bad, but unless you specifically design a linear EQ you will have this.
EQ's are just filters really, and the "sound" of the EQ is the differences in how that individual EQ implements it's 'bands'. An EQ like EQ 8 and Pro Q are a lot alike for sure, but Ableton has flat out admitted in it's ad campaign that the new filters in the revamped EQ 8 (that looks a hell of a lot like Pro Q) are cleaner.
So no, there is no "clean" EQ universal C++ code that all developers wrap in cool GUIs and tube/vintage emulation to fool all of us.

I will give you this, a good EQ is a good EQ, and I think people are forgetting details in EQ's that help in the creative process. For instance I use PSP Neon and it's similar again to the new EQ 8 and Pro Q, but I really find the band frequency soloing and the fact it's the same GUI for a Linear EQ a bus EQ and a track EQ useful so I doubt I'll sell it because EQ 8 is a good EQ too.

Plus, Fabfilter make some great plug ins, it's not all hype. I think we're all just used to things being really cheap in software form, but having recently bought a bundle with the compressor, limiter and gate I'm pretty satisfied with them, there's a hell of a lot more control over the effect than anything I've seen native in Live, which is a plus to some of us. Plus they give a good discount to existing customers for the rest of their line, something I think Ableton should take a hint from.

i agree about the code and also that sound-wise fabfilter isn't all hype; they are great sounding, fun looking, and very responsive in their ui i just can't justify the price for the sound though. there are other companies that i'd say offer better value for the cost, for example i don't own equality but have played with the demo and i must say i was more impressed by it than pro-q. i've also looked at their current sale and their bundles are definitely priced more competitively now.

don't get me wrong, i'm not expecting companies to give out their software for free "just cuz" though i wouldn't be disappointed, and also i'm not trying to change their business model. they can sell their plugins for $100000000 a piece if they want, it's up to them.