Discuss music production with Ableton Live.
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d.reamonn
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by d.reamonn » Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:30 pm
djnowhere wrote:d.reamonn wrote:djnowhere wrote:I was planning on using Ozone for mastering. At this stage I'm inexperienced with mastering and have just been using Ableton's compressors etc. to do all my mastering and was looking for something that might help bring out the sound some as well as assist me. Up until now I've been Eqing and compressing each individual instrument and then using the multiband on the master.
In that case, I would go as far as to say don't bother with Ozone tout court. I made this:
https://soundcloud.com/maybe-logic/radio-krikkit
in about a day with all mixing and mastering duties handled by Live's native effects, and maybe I'm wrong, but I think it sounds pretty good. Then again, I've only ever listened to it on headphones, so what do I know. I have used Ozone in the past, but I saw no real benefit using it over my custom mastering rack:
1. Multiband Dynamics (to kill everything below 30Hz)
2. Utility (as a one knob to drive the next stage)
3. Multiband Dynamics (3 band split: Compressor and Saturator on each band (to gently drive the signal), and Utility on the low end (to mono the bass))
4. EQ8 (to gently roll off the high end)
5. Limiter (6ms mode, to gently boost the final signal)
6. Spectrum (in full screen mode, to gently make me look cool)
When you are able to make chains like this, and give me a bollocking for putting Saturators on my Master channel, then maybe 'Zone 5 could become useful for you.
Maybe.
Note 1: I find that band splitting to 3 individual Compressors yields far more "musical" results than using Multiband Dynamics as is.
Note 2: Notice how I wrote "gently" everywhere.
Haha here's a track I made putting compressor on each instrument and then the multiband and limiter on the master.
https://soundcloud.com/chrisbennett/oh-child. I'll try your way and see what the differences are. I like your track very different. Not really any notice of compression. Nice work.
I have HUGE amounts of side-chain compression on all the elements in that track, all linked to the main kick, with compression and saturation on all channels, and my master set up as specified above. The end result sounds as loud as most modern releases. If you say that you can't hear the compression, then it just means I'm doing a really, really good job
Will listen to your track when I get off the bog.
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agent314
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by agent314 » Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:34 am
I did, but then again, I'm pretty sure the presets are just there as a marketing gimmick. Whether or not professional producers should use synth presets is up for debate, but no mastering engineer worth his weight in feather dusters would ever use mastering presets.
I guess it's a good thing I'm not a professional mastering engineer then, and am just a lowly hobbyist looking to learn and have some fun.
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reeloy
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by reeloy » Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:56 am
....after using ozone 4 for quite a while i ended up using only the best thing in ozone and turn the rest off...
the brickwall limiter is really good.....and is even in serious hardwaremaster studios often the end of the mastering chain....
but hey, ozone 5 is again soooo much better than the last one.....sorry izotope, but you got over 400 bucks from me, when you told me how hi and far end ozone 4 is....and now you want another 200 bucks because 5 is doin' a complete different and way better job!?....bollocks....
thanks for that brickwall limiting i paid 400 for....and that's it...
if you want to get a master finished....NEVER TOUCH THE PRESETS!
they are good to find out about the whole thing......so keep preset hopping and really do a master for seperate days...
if you skip through five presets without a reference loudness in comparison to the unproecessed track, you get lost right away.....
you might end up with a loud and pimped mix.....but not with a serious and really goodsounding master....
if you master, always start with the same default in ozone and leave the presets for research days only.....
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d.reamonn
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by d.reamonn » Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:17 am
reeloy wrote:....after using ozone 4 for quite a while i ended up using only the best thing in ozone and turn the rest off...
the brickwall limiter is really good.....and is even in serious hardwaremaster studios often the end of the mastering chain....
but hey, ozone 5 is again soooo much better than the last one.....sorry izotope, but you got over 400 bucks from me, when you told me how hi and far end ozone 4 is....and now you want another 200 bucks because 5 is doin' a complete different and way better job!?....bollocks....
thanks for that brickwall limiting i paid 400 for....and that's it...
if you want to get a master finished....NEVER TOUCH THE PRESETS!
they are good to find out about the whole thing......so keep preset hopping and really do a master for seperate days...
if you skip through five presets without a reference loudness in comparison to the unproecessed track, you get lost right away.....
you might end up with a loud and pimped mix.....but not with a serious and really goodsounding master....
if you master, always start with the same default in ozone and leave the presets for research days only.....
What you say is true because you're from Berlin.
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reeloy
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by reeloy » Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:03 pm
...indeed, if you judge so...
anything else you don't like....?
talk or stalk?
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d.reamonn
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by d.reamonn » Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:12 pm
reeloy wrote:...indeed, if you judge so...
anything else you don't like....?
talk or stalk?
There is another thread dedicated to things we dislike:
viewtopic.php?f=40&t=189445