Pro Mac Producer/ Performers wanting optimized Live code

FORMAT · Post by **FORMAT** » Wed Dec 18, 2002 8:36 am

The guitar analogy is very illogical indeed.... an expensive guitar SOUNDS better than the cheap one, but I cannot detect a difference in SOUND when using different hard drives/systems... can you?

You seem to be confusing optical with sonic sensations here, but nevermind.

format

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Dec 19, 2002 9:18 am

You missed my analogy completely. An expensive guitar doesn't sound "better" (that is a matter of opinion). However, it will always sound "different". That is a simple truth. You will always find someone who thinks the more expensive one sounds better, and another musician thinks he likes the sound of the cheaper one. Sound isn't the strongest motivational force for buying and using anything. What's the real factor? What's really influencing the musician's to buy & play with one over the other? C'mon... think. Simple. Inspiration. A musician will always choose that which inspires him more, and there ends the Mac / peecee debate. Software & hardware - the two go hand in hand and are never separate. Those are two things that make a "complete" computer user experience. Now add inspiration into the mix. What inspires you more (Mac or peecee)? And trust me, inspiration is priceless.
Nothing wrong with a peecee, but I choose Mac.
There you have it...
nuff said...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Dec 19, 2002 10:49 am

I don't agree with your analogy at all - but you're probably not a guitarist or instrumentalist so I can't blame you

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And trust me, inspiration is priceless.

---- as if I didnt already know that, dude - it's also independent of what equipment you use - you're either inspired or you're not. If that depends on what computer you use, you're doing something wrong

Best regards,
form.aat aka "the uninspired one"

dirtystudios · Post by **dirtystudios** » Thu Dec 19, 2002 10:31 pm

i have a question that i don't think has been asked before about this whole altivec shitstorm. if and when live is optimized (take your time ableton, i'm in no hurry), what kind of performance increase will we see? will it blow our minds or will it just be a marginal increase? what about third party plugs? that's where most of my cpu seems to be tied up in. can anyone (ableton or otherwise) speculate?

k

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Dec 19, 2002 11:26 pm

I seem to remember back when one of the major sequencers was altivec-enabled, the available effects count doubled. It may have been Logic.

-SongCarver

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Dec 20, 2002 9:53 am

who was that that said they play a 12 string, as well as MC?

do you mean MC as in rap, if so post up. was that you neutrixx

NeutrixX · Post by **NeutrixX** » Sat Dec 21, 2002 9:02 am

Yes, MC as in rap and sing. 4 years running with the Pound recordings crew in Vancouver (club night running as well). We start off the first 2 hours of the night with open decks, and open mic. We've had Diesel boy over and Aphrodite, etc... I MC for the night (subliminal - not overkill - dub stylings - not your typical shit - some rapping, some singing - lots of effects on the vocals). I want to start to do live monitoring with plug ins triggered in real time on the tibook (using a simple on / off / expression pedal). If you drop by www.poundrecordings.com - my track will boot up in Flash. It's kind of a breaky drum & bass thing. But I'm looking to do a Massive Attack like heavy psychedelic downtempo folk thing (I'd be playing 12 string). I've been playing for years, but building a project is a whole other thing. It's going to take time. I've got an amazing d&b electronic drummer (acoustic cymbals of course), and the next thing is to get a dub master with a digi 002 & tibook. We'll see what happens in the coming months...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Dec 22, 2002 12:14 am

what do you mean by typical shit? I checked out your website, its pretty cool.

NeutrixX · Post by **NeutrixX** » Sun Dec 22, 2002 8:19 pm

Thanks for letting me know. A company in Toronto did it for us (I hope you like the opening track - it's mine). What I mean, is when you go to a party where there is an MC saying stuff like "big ups to the dj" or "mad respect for all the party people" all frikkin' night over and over again (usually the drum and bass shows). It gets boring hearing that sh*t. Consequently it ruins the vibe of the party, and train wreckin' the dj by stammering vocals right over an intense crossfade. Or, my personal favourite, when a DJ has a very "wet" mix, full of effects, and you hear some idiot on a "dry" mic with absolutely no effects on, sound completely out of step with the sound. That's what I mean. As well, here in Vancouver, whiteboy (of which I am) MC's who pretend there from Jamaica just get laughed at - unless they're doing it for fun - you can't take that sh*t seriously. Alot of MCing at parties is just way too typical - they say the same thing the MC did before them (and it's all been heard since Buju Banton waaaaay back). But if you're into that sound, hey, more power to you. Who the f*ck am I to say what's right or wrong?
As for the dude saying that "either you're inspired or not" - that it doesn't matter what equipment you're using - doesn't know what he's talking about. A good musician is vibing off of everything around him. I've done hundreds of gigs (good and bad of course) and everything matters. No, a performer isn't always "inspired", and is often disappointed at how shitty the "equipment" is responding, whether that be the lighting, the soundsystem, efx pedals, or computer (not to mention who or how many are in attendance). In fact, I'll go on record as saying a musician is someone who composes when he doesn't feel particularly inspired, but most often does so to stay productive. Inspiration is a feeling that I find happens as a result of being productive in any given field of interest... especially music.

dirtystudios · Post by **dirtystudios** » Sun Dec 22, 2002 8:45 pm

What I mean, is when you go to a party where there is an MC saying stuff like "big ups to the dj" or "mad respect for all the party people" all frikkin' night over and over again (usually the drum and bass shows).

oooooooo....how i seeeeeth with anger! i can't tell you how many dnb shows have been ruined for me because of some no talent ass clown is up there being a fucking fuck. how does anyone (other than the fuckin spotlight stealing 'mc') think that it's a good thing to talk over someone's set. how annoying is that? people don't talk to each other at the symphony, and there certainly isn't some guy with a mic saying "hey everybody...strauss in da house!". no...because people want to hear the goddamn music. sit down or git down either way, just shutup.

i relinquish the soapbox.

k

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Dec 23, 2002 5:01 am

my sentiments exactly but I have to say that its usually the dj/ programmers fault, they are the ones who get someone like that to speak over their set because they aren't secure with the music and feel that they have to have something to spice it up on top of it. its not the lame ass mc's fault really. I personally hate hearing MCs unless it's hiphop music.

NeutrixX · Post by **NeutrixX** » Mon Dec 23, 2002 8:03 am

Most of the gigs (d&b events) in British Columbia - I'd go as far as say most of Canada - are left open to any MC who has the balls enough to step up to the mic. So, if they suck - which of course they often do - they make a good DJ set sound like sh*t. Not really a dj / progammers fault at that. It usually takes a promoter's strong arm to get that shit off the mic, or in the case of our night (which has open mic & decks for the first 2 to 4 hours of the night) I would step' em off. That's just been my experience. Most of the local DJs we have actually own great vinyl (and most can mix quite well - as good as the rest of the world I'd say). I find the live sets can be a bit lagging mostly because the songs aren't mastered (the mixdown of the lower freqeuncies is uncompressed and the levels are not quite right). But the live P.A. stuff is usually more than loud enough on the system. Too bad more hip hop MCs don't step into the d&b field. They usually can kick ass if they step to the faster beats.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Dec 24, 2002 10:18 am

some drum n bass is good for that but it's not good when an MC has to fight with the music for space to flow, the beats have to respect the mic and the mic has to respect the beats, basically you shouldn't just rap over anything. I'm an MC, and I can flow over anything, but that doesn't mean
that it should be done, so when you're in an open mic situation its usually best if the people laying down the beds know that they are there to support the mic when its' time for MCs to take hold of it, and vice versa when its' time for the dj to do his/her thing. btw that opening track on your
site is tight just like it is and would also sound funky as shit slowed down. I
like beats like that that can kind of throw out another personality if they want to. cool to see you doin your thang.

peace

zaius · Post by **zaius** » Thu Dec 26, 2002 1:32 am

One more thing, would you question a musician buying a $1200 (Canadian made) Larivee 12 string acoustic guitar over a much cheaper ($400) (Korean made) Yamaha 12 string acoustic? Probably not.

ha! great point! i never thought about it like that, but youre absolutely right...

ultimately, it has to do with the user EXPERIENCE.

peace and merry christmas to everyone, especially the hard workin peeps at ableton, your blood, sweat & tears ARE appreciated!

dirtystudios · Post by **dirtystudios** » Thu Dec 26, 2002 9:26 pm

i got nothing against people who rap over sets, if the flow is nice. a good mc with some wicked rhymes is nothing short of amazing. i'm talking about the assholes who just say "hey everyone it's friday night! are you ready to get down! let's give it up for deiselboyeeeeee! it's friday yeah woo! you don't gotta work tommorow! yeah! all you people stuff! yeah!yeah! stuff! this! that! and some other thing! yeah! is everyone having good time!?". well yeah, we were untill you opened your piehole.

k

Pro Mac Producer/ Performers wanting optimized Live code

Again, you miss the point...

Werdzzz...

Typical sh*t.. you know...

In my experience...