What will I miss if change midi keyboard controller to Push?

[sarmad]

Ease means what you have in your head reaches the speakers quicker. In that sense Push will be more useful.

[Buleriachk]

Easy Accidentals

[re:dream]

I am a self taught (I.e. execrable) keyboardist. ( my music training was on flute). push is certainly liberating since it has simply automated one whole layer of knowledge it would normally take years to embed in muscle memory. There are benefits and costs. I have had musical ideas I would never havenhadnwithout Push. But it is also sometimes limiting being locked into a given scale beforehand.

I remain determined to learn keyboards still. But push has probably delivered a serious setback to my keyboard learning progress. Swings and roundabouts.

[bosonHavoc]

depends how good you are at playing a keyboard.

If ou are not good at all you wont miss anything.

Not that much I studied accordion in music school when I was a child Basically I play guitar.
Can pick up a melody by ear and play it on keys.
I wanted to learn keys for music production in Ableton or Logic (i have Alesis QX49)

What is better for this goal keys or Push or it just doesn't matter?

I am in a similar boat I'm a Bassist and Guitarist that studied music theory,
I been getting to know the keys but the push is very liberating, a smaller footprint, and can do allot more then just keys.

I think if Keys was a primary instrument you may miss it the keys.. but you would probably have some keys to play also.
my keyboard has been leaning on the wall collecting dust.. (i really need to put it back into its case lol)

[Nevileo]

Easy Accidentals

Is only Naturals available in Push?

[Nevileo]

I am a self taught (I.e. execrable) keyboardist. ( my music training was on flute). push is certainly liberating since it has simply automated one whole layer of knowledge it would normally take years to embed in muscle memory. There are benefits and costs. I have had musical ideas I would never havenhadnwithout Push. But it is also sometimes limiting being locked into a given scale beforehand.

I remain determined to learn keyboards still. But push has probably delivered a serious setback to my keyboard learning progress. Swings and roundabouts.

Thank you for such detailed answer.

Now I think that it would be better to get Push and if it will be needed buy a simple keyboard without knobs and sliders. Although, maybe it is better to have both, Push and midi controller like Akai MPK49.

[Nevileo]

depends how good you are at playing a keyboard.

If ou are not good at all you wont miss anything.

Not that much I studied accordion in music school when I was a child Basically I play guitar.
Can pick up a melody by ear and play it on keys.
I wanted to learn keys for music production in Ableton or Logic (i have Alesis QX49)

What is better for this goal keys or Push or it just doesn't matter?

I am in a similar boat I'm a Bassist and Guitarist that studied music theory,
I been getting to know the keys but the push is very liberating, a smaller footprint, and can do allot more then just keys.

I think if Keys was a primary instrument you may miss it the keys.. but you would probably have some keys to play also.
my keyboard has been leaning on the wall collecting dust.. (i really need to put it back into its case lol)

Yes that's a similar boat

Now I think it will be better to have both and see what happens.
Its like a choice between electric guitar or acoustic, better to have both.
Electric-acoustic guitar will not replace both... unfortunately.

[Nevileo]

Ease means what you have in your head reaches the speakers quicker. In that sense Push will be more useful.

Yes that would be very good )

[panten]

Easy Accidentals

Is only Naturals available in Push?

What Bulriachk meant to say was 'Easy Accidental with In-Key mode'
Push has a chromatic mode also.

Check this page out..
https://www.ableton.com/en/blog/push-ac ... key-modes/

[re:dream]

maybe it is better to have both, Push and midi controller like Akai MPK49.

Agreed. I have my Virus keyboard I am sure as hell holding on to that. But even an Akai LPK 25 would be a very nice companion to a Push.

[Buleriachk]

I think a conventional keyboard (with transposition) is much better for switching between related keys (or even keys in general) than Push if you're not in "in-Key" mode. But for "In-Key" Push is more fun and much better for chording (doesn't require as much spread), provided that you accept its limitations.

Reminds me of that W. Pauli comment when listening to a boring physics presentation; "And he's not even wrong...."

(Don't forget that you have this basic capability with a Launchpad S and Launchpad95)..
(I bet there is a Launchpad with touchpad sensitivity in the near future... or a Maschine with an 8X8 grid....

(My primary reason for not jumping on Push is the Led's - not just the pads, but the side led's as well. They were really bad in the Push I returned... I guess for me the Led's were a bigger issue than lack of touch sensitivity)

And Maschine gives me the Live control surface for most things... (I also have a nanoKontrol and a mini-air hooked up, with a Korg micro-arranger and a Lucina available on call...)

What Buleriachk meant to say was 'Easy Accidental with In-Key mode'
Push has a chromatic mode also.

[Nevileo]

I think a conventional keyboard (with transposition) is much better for switching between related keys (or even keys in general) than Push if you're not in "in-Key" mode. But for "In-Key" Push is more fun and much better for chording (doesn't require as much spread), provided that you accept its limitations.

Reminds me of that W. Pauli comment when listening to a boring physics presentation; "And he's not even wrong...."

(Don't forget that you have this basic capability with a Launchpad S and Launchpad95)..
(I bet there is a Launchpad with touchpad sensitivity in the near future... or a Maschine with an 8X8 grid....

(My primary reason for not jumping on Push is the Led's - not just the pads, but the side led's as well. They were really bad in the Push I returned... I guess for me the Led's were a bigger issue than lack of touch sensitivity)

And Maschine gives me the Live control surface for most things... (I also have a nanoKontrol and a mini-air hooked up, with a Korg micro-arranger and a Lucina available on call...)

What Buleriachk meant to say was 'Easy Accidental with In-Key mode'
Push has a chromatic mode also.

What do you mean by "lack of touch sensitivity"?
Is there ant delay in Push between pressing a pad and sound? Do you use PC or Mac?

[Nevileo]

So how do you think is it better to have 49 keys keyboard or it will be ok to have Push + 25 keys like Axiom MINI or Akai MPK25?

[Buleriachk]

My bad; you're correct. Push does have touch sensitivity; the Launchpad doesn't. As far as chromatic mode is concerned, launchpad95 does everything Push does.... except you can't use a knobs; you have to change pages on the Launchpad)

Edit (My bad again - Push has aftertouch, according to a post below)

I've still got GAS for Push; but given that I have comparable equipment, I can wait until they fix the lights.... I'm sure somebody will, some day, perhaps with a new design....

(Don't forget that you have this basic capability with a Launchpad S and Launchpad95)..
(I bet there is a Launchpad with touchpad sensitivity in the near future... or a Maschine with an 8X8 grid....

(I guess for me the Led's were a bigger issue than lack of touch sensitivity)

What Buleriachk meant to say was 'Easy Accidental with In-Key mode'
Push has a chromatic mode also.

What do you mean by "lack of touch sensitivity"?
Is there ant delay in Push between pressing a pad and sound? Do you use PC or Mac?

[yur2die4]

If you should choose to get a first keyboard, don't even fool around with anything less than 4 octaves and pretty normally sized keys.

Those would help in the beginning stage to make it easier and more ergonomic ally comfortable to mess around and learn shit.

Btw, after-touch is a pressure that is controlled During th press of a pad or key, which Push has.