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shadx312 wrote:You could say the same thing here except some few clubs can have certain dj's not playing mainstream crap along with some inter/national artists but it's easier to go to loft and warehouse parties because that's where the selekta's and music lovers go for good stuff.

Well the problem is not that it's mainstream in the usual sense. It is dark Minimal Techno, you will hear nowhere else. The problem is only that it's not really imaginative anymore. And then there is also some scene "incest". A few names that play every weekend in one of the clubs and also are the headliners for some labels and seem involved with the fanzines. But they hang out with each other mostly and pat each other on the back how underground they are, but it's the same ol' same ol' and it's gotten boring a long time ago.

Festivals, there's been more of them so apart from the big ones you can find a decent selection. Most of the one's I'd prefer to go to are in Europe though...Sonar always seems to be choice. I suppose you could say the Lollapaloozas here are the Glastonburys of the UK and I avoid those like the plague.

Oh, the area around Berlin/East Germany is awesome in summer. There are so many festivals with different themes that you sometimes have to choose, because there are several good ones on one weekend.
Sonar would be a bad comparison, because that is more like a fair/convention than a festival. And the headliners there are of course way more famous (I'd like to go one day too), but here it's more festivals between 1000 and 20 000. With the biggest Fusion reaching 80 000, but that is not purely electronic. (But it's an experience of a lifetime) Think Burning Man, in green fields.

If I were American and came to Europe for Festivals, (and would know about all this), I would actually have a hard time choosing between all those festivals and Sonar.

I don’t know how it is in Europe, but a lot of the festivals in the US are now live streamed on the internet or you can watch the artist sets after the fact. Saves a lot of money and annoyance. In a festival setting even my favorite artists I usually can’t take for more than about 20 minutes before I want to go on to something else…possibly because there always is something else.

Also at 41 I don't need to be bouncing around with a bunch of 20-somethings (or younger).

beats me wrote:I don’t know how it is in Europe, but a lot of the festivals in the US are now live streamed on the internet or you can watch the artist sets after the fact. Saves a lot of money and annoyance. In a festival setting even my favorite artists I usually can’t take for more than about 20 minutes before I want to go on to something else…possibly because there always is something else.

Also at 41 I don't need to be bouncing around with a bunch of 20-somethings (or younger).

Just what I need, more time spend on a computer, instead of outside with happy dancing people...

You've never seen someone in a dancing circle happily using their laptop?

shadx312 wrote:You've never seen someone in a dancing circle happily using their laptop?

Tell me it ain't so....

The sad thing is, no matter if you were joking, I know it's gonna happen, with tablets anyways....
Sometimes I hate the world we're living in

Don't worry, google glass will be required by law in a couple years.

Don't hate, mate; reciprocate!

TomViolenz wrote:

beats me wrote:I don’t know how it is in Europe, but a lot of the festivals in the US are now live streamed on the internet or you can watch the artist sets after the fact. Saves a lot of money and annoyance. In a festival setting even my favorite artists I usually can’t take for more than about 20 minutes before I want to go on to something else…possibly because there always is something else.

Also at 41 I don't need to be bouncing around with a bunch of 20-somethings (or younger).

Just what I need, more time spend on a computer, instead of outside with happy dancing people...

I’m watching it on a projector from a recliner with endless inexpensive drinks in hand and a slab of meat grilling outside. And nobody is giving me nasty looks for being the creepy old guy.

I don't think you'd be creepy unless you're just standing there looking around or trying to hard to prove that you 'still got it' or being self-conscious that you're older than a lot of people there. If you're just minding your own biz and groovin' I don't think anyone would notice.

Still I'd take the inexpensive drinks and concert stream with a bbq route.

shadx312 wrote:I don't think you'd be creepy unless you're just standing there looking around or trying to hard to prove that you 'still got it' or being self-conscious that you're older than a lot of people there. If you're just minding your own biz and groovin' I don't think anyone would notice.

Still I'd take the inexpensive drinks and concert stream with a bbq route.

I mostly just feel awkward in huge or well-lit crowds. It also depends on how drunk I am, and at festivals I’m never drunk enough. I also concluded that at festivals I spend 70% of the time in line for either a drink or the bathroom.

I'm more of a mid-size warehouse party man.

beats me wrote:

TomViolenz wrote:

beats me wrote:I don’t know how it is in Europe, but a lot of the festivals in the US are now live streamed on the internet or you can watch the artist sets after the fact. Saves a lot of money and annoyance. In a festival setting even my favorite artists I usually can’t take for more than about 20 minutes before I want to go on to something else…possibly because there always is something else.

Also at 41 I don't need to be bouncing around with a bunch of 20-somethings (or younger).

Just what I need, more time spend on a computer, instead of outside with happy dancing people...

I’m watching it on a projector from a recliner with endless inexpensive drinks in hand and a slab of meat grilling outside. And nobody is giving me nasty looks for being the creepy old guy.

Ah come on we all know 40 is the new 30.
A side effect of the eternal boy syndrome. Nobody grows up anymore!
Anyways I'm 39 and no one is giving me nasty looks.
Maybe you should leave your evil clown costume at home and stop offering sweets to teens...

TomViolenz wrote:Ah come on we all know 40 is the new 30.
A side effect of the eternal boy syndrome. Nobody grows up anymore!
Anyways I'm 39 and no one is giving me nasty looks.
Maybe you should leave your evil clown costume at home and stop offering sweets to teens...

In bars and clubs I am fine. When I’m at a festival with the sun beaming down on my head surrounded by what looks like tweens, not so much. And I’m saying that on behalf of myself, not them. I really have no business bouncing in and out of their clusterfuck of OMGS!!! while fist pumping.

beats me wrote:

TomViolenz wrote:Ah come on we all know 40 is the new 30.
A side effect of the eternal boy syndrome. Nobody grows up anymore!
Anyways I'm 39 and no one is giving me nasty looks.
Maybe you should leave your evil clown costume at home and stop offering sweets to teens...

In bars and clubs I am fine. When I’m at a festival with the sun beaming down on my head surrounded by what looks like tweens, not so much. And I’m saying that on behalf of myself, not them. I really have no business bouncing in and out of their clusterfuck of OMGS!!! while fist pumping.

I have no problem with the age group of the 20s-30s, I have several friends of that age. The only thing I don't like about them is the constant online/Facebook shit and how non-interested they seem in political developments. Otherwise they are generaly cool people. But than the whole OMG thing does not exist here.

I’m mostly exaggerating. I maybe get out to a festival once every year or two now, but I really don’t have the great time I used to have 10 or so years ago. I mostly just look forward to leaving early so we can go find a dive bar and I can talk to strangers in a much more inviting atmosphere.

I went to a festival in SF a couple months ago. I went Friday and it was alright, but I had a much better time at the dive bar afterwards which eventually lead to a warehouse party. Saturday night I skipped the festival and instead went and got stupid with H2Only on Haight St. I also feel that was a better decision than going to the festival. The next day I also skipped the festival, went home, and watched the live stream of Hall & Oats and Kaskade from the comfort of my recliner. Overall, I’d say it was the best festival weekend I’ve had in a while.