Automation dots - ARGH!!

[amigo]

I have also encountered this and found that it is because the whole automation lane is selected. Clicking anywhere within the lane will de-select the lane and allow you to click on the single dot that you want to work with.

[pokeyoats]

I never told you to use the beta.
I asked a simple question, that's it!
why asking for specification about the version you use or the OS of your system brings half the time some anger response?
cool down, I'm just trying to help you.

Btw replying to your topic made come other users who try as well to help and answer your questions.

Angstrom said it all so, what else.

Sorry if I look misregarding about this bug.
I have just learnt to do with it and always move automation with care.


I hope you understand, if not I simply will not reply anymore in here as I'm so useless to you it seems

I appreciate your candid answer and I can see how a foolish person may use the Beta and complain about a perceived "bug". I wrongly assumed that anyone trying to use Live in a professional manner would NEVER want to use a beta and the problems and lack of support that comes from using a beta. A hobbyist perhaps, a professional no.

And no one really has answered anything. I am not too sure about the "it was a bug in 8" answer.

If anyone has 8 loaded you just have to do this. Highlight a number of bars 4, 8, 16, whatever.

Find an automation line. Volume, whatever.

Drag it down inside the area the bars are selected.

You will see that Live will make 4 dots 2 on the outside of the bars and 2 on this inside of the bars creating a vertical line to the point you dragged to.

This is NOT a bug. This is very deliberate functionality. There's no way it's a mistake. Say for example that you wanted to make a diagonal line easily from the left to the right, because you have 4 dots, simply double clicking the third dot (counting dots left to right inside the selected bars) gives you a perfect diagonal line QUICKLY and EASILY.

This functionality had been removed and the automation dots have gone from being pleasant and usable to a major source of frustration and an interruption to workflow.

[pokeyoats]

I have also encountered this and found that it is because the whole automation lane is selected. Clicking anywhere within the lane will de-select the lane and allow you to click on the single dot that you want to work with.

Interesting, I will have to try that and the next time it happens see if I have any part of the track selected.

[Captain Johnson]

So in summary L9 automation is......

Badly flawed and hard to get used to

or

You get used to it and works better in the end

[pokeyoats]

So in summary L9 automation is......

Badly flawed and hard to get used to

or

You get used to it and works better in the end

I am really not sure what you are trying to get at with your summary. I have ALREADY explained in detail one area of functionality that has been removed that greatly impedes workflow.

Therefore, as I have documented from my initial message it is badly flawed.

Would you care to explain how exactly you have contributed to the conversation?

[Captain Johnson]

So in summary L9 automation is......

Badly flawed and hard to get used to

or

You get used to it and works better in the end

I am really not sure what you are trying to get at with your summary. I have ALREADY explained in detail one area of functionality that has been removed that greatly impedes workflow.

Therefore, as I have documented from my initial message it is badly flawed.

Would you care to explain how exactly you have contributed to the conversation?

I asked a question on a forum…

[samsteeno]

Yeah, I find that using automation dots and drawing automation in Live to be very illogical. when I click and drag things it doesn't do what I expect it to, e.g. a click moves the whole automation track instead of just that dot/line, clicking and dragging on an 'unmodulated' automation line doesn't draw in a dot/triangle shape, etc.
I think someone needs to rethink it out and make it work logically.

On another note, automation clips would be fun, I currently duplicate clips and use different automation/modulation envelopes, but I'm sure there could be a way to have multiple automation clips within a single clip in session view, etc.

I love Ableton as a company, and I am with you guys for the long run, Live helps me make some great sounding noise(s). I look forward to an update fixing the small frustrating things like this; and I look forward to innovation. Keep it fresh, don't be afraid of the market... be ruthlessly innovative, thats what made Ableton Live special in the first place!

Sam

[PantsDown]

I agree.. I always have trouble with automation lines, doesnt seem to matter if you have the dot or the line selected it nearly always moves the entire line. its a lottery as to whether it does what you want or not... its a complete ballache and not fun to use at all.

With the new "inverted clip label text" and this and a few other things Live is becoming a bit of a usability nightmare.

[Angstrom]

I can see the underlying logic, the intention: that a selected region means all the dots will move. But the problem is that regions/ clips are very often selected in Live, because we Users click on clips to see the midi note-editor.
Clicking on clips is a very basic action in Live, which does all sorts of things, it's not just a "select this region" action.

So automation region selection needs some way to deal with how users really operate.

[gailpriestess]

Thanks to Angstrom for calmly and succinctly explaining the problem AND the solution.

I must say that after using Ableton since version 4 I do find version 9 to be disappointing because of pesky things like this and no great improvements in terms of my uses.

[dna598]

CHRIST WHEN WILL THEY FIX THIS (sorry for the rant)

[re:dream]

Angstrom - is this behaviour still a problem in 9.2? I know Ableton changed the loop brace select behaviour...

[gailpriestess]

I'm using 9.1.6 - but since your post alerted me to my inadvertent selection of the region I can negotiate the system more efficiently.
g

[Michael Hatsis]

The system introduced in Live 9 makes it super difficult for people that like to chop clips up in the arrangement view

[dead_rubbish]

alternately, click on the header for a clip in a different track , go back and your individual point can be clicked and dragged. - this has been bugging me for ages, rough and ready solution at last