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Angstrom wrote:Steve Jobs has stated in the past that he wanted OSX to run on standard PC or Windows wachines and wanted to get out of manufacturing. This was a looong time ago so I'd have to hunt for a quote. It was played down for shareholder reasons as it seemed an impossibility at the time.

Right now the Windows marketplace is wide open if they let OSX run on PentiumD without shooting themselves in the foot. What have they to gain by limiting it to a Mac box only ... nothing.

they gain many millions of dollars by letting OSX run on wintel boxes

you dig?

oh i dig. that could happen and that would be great too. the big worry for those religious about things is the disappearance of Apple and macosx. i just can't see that happening and that's all that matters I guess.

mcconaghy wrote: No, it doesn't. There's this little thing called OpenFirmware, which Macs use instead of a BIOS. I'm willing to bet that if a montherboard doesn't support OpenFirmware, it won't boot OS X.

How long do you think it'll be before people reverse engineer that and release emulation layers?
Not long at all imo.

well, it still means I can get a nice new powerbook when my dothan starts feeling its age.




as for 'never allowing OSX on non Mac boxes' , I will choose to interpret that as ' not until the Mac userbase calms down from this one' ...

if it is possible and it will earn someone money - it's gonna happen.

thers a lot of cash in that one.

I think this is great news. Apple has never let me down in futuristic inventions and I think this is a great move for them to go to the next level in computer history.
Scary to think what will be the speeds and size by 2008. I think something like a Ipod sized Intel G6 8000Mhz with a holographic screen which is wireless.

G6? You won't be seeing G-anything in Apples now. Will all be Pentiums and the like.

This will be strange ..I must say..So really it is all about the OS then..Of course the look and the style will be always Mac..but maybe this would mean other manufacturers may jump in like Sony, Samsung, Dell and so on..like in the PC world?
Never can say never..This is a big change.

Wow.

Strange news, unexpected news, and above all important news for computer people.

Here's what I think is on Jobs's mind - he wants to force a confrontation with Microsoft. MacOS vs. Longhorn was going to be **HUGE** anyway - now that they're on pretty similar hardware platforms (i'm assuming by going -> Intel, that means Intel-style chips . . .) it's going to be fate-determining for both companies.

I think if Apple can hold on to it's security, stability, ease of use they have a shot.

Harris.Andrew wrote: I think if Apple can hold on to it's security,

Nope. With it now on x86 its gonna be a hell of a lot easier for viruses to get on it. It was safer on PPC as it was such a small niche, hackers didn't consider it worth targetting. It shouldn't be too difficult to make a virus that executes on Windows execute on a Mac.

it's funny what you can read on the apple g5 performance page:

The dual 2.7GHz, dual 2.3GHz and dual 2.0GHz Power Mac G5 systems ran the 45 filters 98%, 78% and 59% faster, respectively, than the 3.6GHz Pentium 4-based system, and 72%, 56% and 38% faster than the dual 3.6GHz Xeon-based system.

Joe McFizlebom wrote:

Harris.Andrew wrote: I think if Apple can hold on to it's security,

Nope. With it now on x86 its gonna be a hell of a lot easier for viruses to get on it. It was safer on PPC as it was such a small niche, hackers didn't consider it worth targetting. It shouldn't be too difficult to make a virus that executes on Windows execute on a Mac.

what makes OSX secure isn't the PowerPC architecture. its Unix.

i don't forsee any huge security concerns or changes to how secure OSX already is.

Joe McFizlebom wrote: Nope. With it now on x86 its gonna be a hell of a lot easier for viruses to get on it. It was safer on PPC as it was such a small niche, hackers didn't consider it worth targetting. It shouldn't be too difficult to make a virus that executes on Windows execute on a Mac.

NEW REPORT FROM THE WORLD NEWS!

VIRII DO NOT ATTACK HARDWARE!
ONLY SOFTWARE!

whoa there, my CPU just sneezed!



Does anyone else feel like their mother just said, father christmas is actually elvis.
This seems, like, really surreal to me.

I still dont get how Apple's much vaunted superior chipset is going in the toilet in favour of the much ridiculed (by cult of Apple) x86 architecture.
Rosetta the dymanic binary translator may well be "pretty fast", but really how can ...

(reviled x86 architecture + Rosetta) >= 'superior' g5 architecture ?

it doesnt make sens to me
Although, having said that I can't wait to twist the minds of all my ill informed Mac pervert friends with poorly grasped info and confusing half-truths about all this.

Um, did anyone realize that ABLETON is going to NEED to code on XCode on the Mac if they already are not.

If they aren't using XCode, they better hurry!

I still don't think OSX is going to run on non-Apple hardware. Remember the Clones back in the mid-90's? Were they actually any good? Also, one of the things that keeps OSX as (relatively) stable as it is is that it knows what hardware combinations it can run on... most all of the huge stability problems on Macs you sometimes hear about can be traced to bad RAM.

As has been said though - unless MS decide to 'cripple' it, you most likely will be able to run XP and Longhorn on Apple hardware. Should you want to.

This decision means two things to consumers: A) Digital Rights Management (or even worse, trusted computing) and B) Price drops.

Not much else, really - certainly not security issues. One thing, though - I'd be surprised if it didn't seriously dent Apple's sales for the next year or so until there's an Intel-based Powermac/book. You gonna pay two thousand pounds for a computer that is looking to be obsolete after two years? I know I'm not. A Mini, maybe, but not a Powermac or even an iMac. My brother's 5 year old Sawtooth G4 (the first or second revision ones) runs Panther and could even run Tiger if I wanted it to, and pretty well at that... but a brand new dual G5 2.5 GHz most likely won't run OS 10.5 or 10.6 even if it has the raw processing power.

-Paws

this is all about apple being first out of the gate for an itunes-ipod like movie/avi download system...they're going for the hollywood $$$. crazy news, i never expected to see this happen. interesting times ahead!