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Re: Apple Mac : why it is going to be bad for pro sofwares soon
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:19 am
by kitekrazy
jlgrimes wrote:
I think Microsoft don't seem to want the pro market as well though, so I dont think there will be much push.
I think the big thing though is that Personal computers (Macs and Windows) are slowly dying in general. Eventually, our phones will replace them but I think we have a while before that will happen.
Also I don't think Apple is really changing a whole lot on their OS upgrades, so I don't see the huge compatibility problems.
I upgraded from Mountain Lion to Mavericks after a 6 months or so and didn't have any issues.
At the same time as computers get faster and have more memory, managing Audio will become more easier and ultimately something like Midi, using little resources.
Microsoft is a software developer. Hardware vendors are doing a great job of pushing the high end market. Look at Intel, AMD, NVidia, and all of those companies pushing out SSD drives.
If PC gamers (largest gaming platform) switched to consoles we would worry.
Re: Apple Mac : why it is going to be bad for pro sofwares soon
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:25 am
by Machinesworking
Tarekith wrote:The SSD drives are part of the main boards now and not removeable I thought? Either way, yes, just get what you need when you buy the thing.
I think people just forget that ALL Apple products are premiumly priced, pre-designed, self-contained products. They're not meant to be cheap, or serviceable, there are plenty of other options for that kind of thing.
Let's not forget that RAM for instance is less important with SSD drives and virtual RAM available, and that Thunderbolt means any external SSD is going to be as fast as your internal one.
Also:
http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/SSD/OWC/ ... rnal-Flash
So SSDs up to 2013 at least in retina mbp's are upgradable.
Re: Apple Mac : why it is going to be bad for pro sofwares soon
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:43 am
by pencilrocket
Apple is mobile phone company. They are good at producing fancy smartphone and making tons of money from it. And they have flashy iDevices for your mother and grandma. MacPro? Who cares? It doesn't provide enough money to run a large company.
Re: Apple Mac : why it is going to be bad for pro sofwares soon
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:20 am
by Tarekith
Suh-weet, I was hoping you'd show up eventually. Just wouldn't be the same otherwise, thanks for joining us!
Re: Apple Mac : why it is going to be bad for pro sofwares soon
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:51 am
by pencilrocket
You're welcome, sir.
Re: Apple Mac : why it is going to be bad for pro sofwares soon
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:06 am
by Machinesworking
Re: Apple Mac : why it is going to be bad for pro sofwares soon
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:29 am
by fishmonkey
Tarekith wrote:The SSD drives are part of the main boards now and not removeable I thought?
the drives are PCI-e flash boards now. they are replaceable, there just aren't a lot of aftermarket options. they are much faster than any SATA SSD though.
Re: Apple Mac : why it is going to be bad for pro sofwares soon
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:18 pm
by doghouse
The OP has a point about Apple-owned applications but it's a real stretch to think that changes in Mac OS will cause Steinberg, Avid, Adobe and other companies to suddenly drop Mac support.
Microsoft is already heading in the same direction...you have seen Win8, right?
I work in the computer industry and the current trend is to allow users to access the same apps and content from all devices they own. That is what is driving these OS changes.
I'm still waiting for someone to crack the nut of having any device wirelessly use the nearest peripherals like displays (including your TV or the screen in your car), speakers, keyboards, printers, storage, etc. just as easily as they access Cloud resources today.
Re: Apple Mac : why it is going to be bad for pro sofwares soon
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:44 pm
by beats me
Can Apple or an authorized dealer upgrade the RAM and drives on the new Macs or it just can't be done at all? Big difference between can't be done and can't be done by you.
Re: Apple Mac : why it is going to be bad for pro sofwares soon
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:06 pm
by TomViolenz
The RAM is soldered at least on the new MacMini, so the answer is: NO
Re: Apple Mac : why it is going to be bad for pro sofwares soon
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:11 pm
by beats me
TomViolenz wrote:The RAM is soldered at least on the new MacMini, so the answer is: NO
As far as I know solder can be unsoldered. It’s a major benefit of solder.
Re: Apple Mac : why it is going to be bad for pro sofwares soon
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:32 pm
by TomViolenz
beats me wrote:TomViolenz wrote:The RAM is soldered at least on the new MacMini, so the answer is: NO
As far as I know solder can be unsoldered. It’s a major benefit of solder.
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Re: Apple Mac : why it is going to be bad for pro sofwares soon
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:59 pm
by beats me
TomViolenz wrote:beats me wrote:TomViolenz wrote:The RAM is soldered at least on the new MacMini, so the answer is: NO
As far as I know solder can be unsoldered. It’s a major benefit of solder.
Not sure if serious.jpg <---Here
People that build and repair electronics are soldering and unsoldering things all day long? What makes you think this is an impossibility with Apple hardware?
Re: Apple Mac : why it is going to be bad for pro sofwares soon
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:01 pm
by sporkles
Tarekith wrote:Either way, yes, just get what you need when you buy the thing.
There was plenty of money to be saved by upgrading the RAM (the only user-upgradeable component in the last iMac gen) yourself later on.
Re: Apple Mac : why it is going to be bad for pro sofwares soon
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:09 pm
by H20nly
^ that's why they stopped it. Apple wants the huge profit they're making by raping their customers on RAM upfront. if you break it all down the profit they make on the RAM probably comes close to paying their cost for the mother/logic board.
kitekrazy wrote:Thunderbolt isn't really catching on like wildfire. Look at the audio card vendors that have them. Few. I seen a Focusrite unit that claims Thunderbolt support but it's via an adapter. Some that are more dedicated to Apple hardware have those ports. I'm angry at Apple for moving the hardware industry away from 1394 or FW. A firewire port was standard on most Intel boards and many Asus. I have a Presonus 1394 and M-Audio FW410. These are great units that may eventually become doorstops. Most of my audio interfaces are now legacy products. If I had to do it again, I'd fork over a lot of money for RME devices because they are supported for a long time. I read on another forum a guy got a RME Babyface for under $600 with a Musicians Friend coupon. Right now USB is popular. They plug into everything and are backwards compatible.
there's a firewire to thunderbolt adapter so the game is far from over. i used one when i bought my iMac because my interface at the time was firewire. since the throughput on Thunderbolt is higher there is no degradation in the signal.
