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Plus there is far more software around for Windows.

I use a two Macs and a P4..with XP..I like both for different needs. I must say if you setup a strong firewall and be smart online, you can be pretty ok..I do not even use a virus protection..and no viruses yet..(knock on wood
I should be using protection though, before I get ONE.

Astral Fridge Magnet wrote:Plus there is far more software around for Windows.

yeah, like radiaL, Artmatic, Studio Artist, Metasynth... did i mention Logic

shlomo wrote:

Astral Fridge Magnet wrote:Plus there is far more software around for Windows.

yeah, like radiaL, Artmatic, Studio Artist, Metasynth... did i mention Logic

As I said in an earlier post, the only reason I would consider a Mac is to update to Logic 7.
But it is a well known fact that there is far more software available for PC.

It sounds like if you're into the whole "illegal piracy" over the "internet" thing,
you can DL a leaked version of OSX Tiger that the folks at the developer conference were given, which supposedly runs on existing intel machines.

This article was discussing it:
http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/05/06/1 ... =179&tid=1

Only a handful of developers were given machines (people like Adobe etc) the rest will be getting their machines in a week from now.

Also taking into consideration the fact that the OS is likely tied to a specific chipset (like how Darwin only boots on on X86 mobo chipset) makes the report of the 'leaked x86 tiger' sound like a fake.

I would very much doubt that this would install and boot on a regular PC..The architecture of this new Intel based beta Mac would be I'm sure be quite different than a P4 etc..Howevver, I DO BELIEVE IF YOU KNOW COMPUTERS. it could be possible.

claudek wrote:I would very much doubt that this would install and boot on a regular PC..The architecture of this new Intel based beta Mac would be I'm sure be quite different than a P4 etc..Howevver, I DO BELIEVE IF YOU KNOW COMPUTERS. it could be possible.

someone on slashdot stated they installed in on the amd 64 no problem...
i'll believe it when i see an about this mac screenshot.

This will be one puzzle I cannot figure out unless Apple wants to spread OSX into Windows world..
Maybe they plan to sell a OS to both markets? This would be funny..but would it be profitable over loss of hardware sales? I guess they have a plan..as I cannot think they are that stupid.

I have both a Dual 2GHz G5 with 2.5Gb of RAM and a Dell Inspiron 5150 laptop ...

I haven't taken to the MacOSX way of working at all (personally). I do appreciate the fact with MacOSX very little configuration and tweaking is required (unlike Windows XP) to ready a system for music production. That is very cool (particularly for users who do not wish to have to learn too many computer technician skills).

A properly tweaked and configured Windows XP setup is superb and has been the best experience I've had to date since making music with PC's since the days of running a 486SX25 with 4Mb of RAM (!!) on Windows 3.1 (MIDI only sequencing of course). Windows XP was the best thing that ever happened to music production on PC systems.

I find both OS's are nearly as fragile as each other ... The applications I like to run (Ableton Live 4, Nuendo 3, Propellerhead Reason) seem to behave more reliably on WinXP with less mysterious disappearance of applications "while mid flight", less freezes and fewer problems with appliciations unexpectedly quitting, etc. Certainly this situation has improved over time since MacOSX Jaguar however I do get the feeling MacOSX is very much a "work in progress" operating system.

I find MacOSX's Finder very annoying! Missing out functionality as fundamental as Copying/Cutting and Pasting Files (there is no Paste in finder (WTF ???)) is really strange. I find its always necessary to have source and destination windows open so I can drag and drop files to copy them. This isn't necessary on Windows. I guess I just prefer the way how Explorer works but maybe that's due to familiarity.

The Dual G5 system is cosmetically very sexy however that's not primary reason I buy a coimputer system. Apple's Powerbooks have superb build quality (particularly the 12" and 15" models) compared with my fragile feeling Dell Inspiron system. I'm certainly looking forward to running Windows XP on a speedy, new generation, Intel based Apple Powerbook ...

If I were a Logic user I'd definitely be using the Mac system more than my Windows system however I've been into Cubase/Nuendo for many years. Only Ableton Live is winning me (ever so slowly) over from my favourite Swiss Army Knife ... I still find Cubase/Nuendo a more precise and comprehensive environment when producing tracks to final release quality however Live blows everything out of the water for being a well thoughtout live performance and jamming environment.

Maybe they plan to sell a OS to both markets? This would be funny..but
would it be profitable over loss of hardware sales?

Can't see it happening...... They'd be dropping one of their best
attributes... The ability to control the hardware their OS is installed on.
Without this they'd be spending ship-loads of money on hardware R&D,
making drivers and the like. They'd also spend a LOT more money on
support as people ask questions about their unique setups. Seen the size
of the MS knowledge base? Then you'd have all the hardware related
security issues.... It would be a silly business decision. They have it good
now, why try to make their job sooo much harder.....

It's just the manufacture of their chips that is changing......

-Ben

Write in vote; If OSX moves to x86 and Live runs on OSX then a Linux port of Live would be quite easy. I´d seriously considder moving to Linux completely.

Don´t see what getting hacked has to do with it, just don´t connect your DAW to the net. Firewalls and virus scanners take too many resources.

Its deliberate move by Apple. This is the "try
before you buy period" So they can get everybodys dick hard. Then
their NEW PC Mac will be protected next year.

Can't see it happening...... They'd be dropping one of their best
attributes... The ability to control the hardware their OS is installed on.
Without this they'd be spending ship-loads of money on hardware R&D,
making drivers and the like. They'd also spend a LOT more money on
support as people ask questions about their unique setups. Seen the size
of the MS knowledge base? Then you'd have all the hardware related
security issues.... It would be a silly business decision. They have it good
now, why try to make their job sooo much harder.....

It's just the manufacture of their chips that is changing......

-Ben

Actually, Apple wouldn't be near as responsible for hardware support as the hardware manufacturers themselves. When I have a problem with an NVIDIA card, I go to NVIDIA, not MS. This is true for every other piece of hardware.

I am a pc tech/sys admin/net admin and I have NEVER gone to MS to have them solve an issue with my hardware. Not in my ten years of PC work.

I'm not sure what you mean by hardware security issues. I can't think of any. The hardware just does what the software tells it to. Even in a Cisco PIX firewall, the hardware is just moving electrons. The software is what opens holes, closes them, etc.

To me, a hardware security issue is when you've left your server room door open so a USER can get into it.

http://support.microsoft.com/search/def ... ?qu=NVIDIA

There are the first 100 KB articles with NVIDIA in them.

Now there are more then 1 hardware manufacturer, each with hundreds of
support issues relating to intergrating them with an OS, each article being
overseen by several highly paid engineers, and costing a pretty penny to
write, check and publish.

I'm sure Apple doesn't wanna open that tin of worms.

If you've never been to MS for a hardware issue, and work with servers,
then u've been lucky enough to work with HCL hardware. There are issues
out there that aren't even in the KB and take hours on the phone to figure
out.

Hardware security.... relates to driver security not the actual hardware.

Simple fact is, apple has it real good with macs, they don't have to worry
bout any of this crap..... So why start just for some imaginary market......
This whole suggestion of them become a software company only is all far
fetched. They have it way too good how they are, no reason to mess it all up.

-Ben