Re: Paris Hilton 'djing'.
Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:27 pm
All she has to do is choose relevant tracks to play in front of people.
There are a lot of people who share her taste.
There are a lot of people who share her taste.
You say that as if that were a good thingyur2die4 wrote: There are a lot of people who share her taste.
Yeah yippy a whole new demographic of dance music "fans", who go for the big name instead of the music. The future looks way brighter then, than the present does. I can hardly wait...Donnie wrote:Celebrity guest DJs don't bother me. These people do not get paid to DJ, they get paid for publicity and to get heads through the door. Nobody who knows anything about DJing takes them seriously as a talent so there is really no point to get worked up about it.
Hey, at least we have a worldwide culture that actually gives a shit about DJs now. Once the fire dies down these props will be gone and a whole new demographic of dance music fans will remain.
Sure, I'll take the bait:beats me wrote:You wouldn’t feel sympathy and admiration for the day long road she would have to travel from waking up and deciding she is a DJ to booking a sold out gig? And just think of the zero talent expectations the crowd would have and how she would have to meet those zero talent expectations. Much respect for the bravery that would take.
Worldwide culture has given a shit about dj's since the 60's, and moreso since the 70's once disco came about. The difference is is that since the 2000's with the addition of computers and midi controllers, dj'ing has become a lot cheaper and easier, which means marketable. Since Marketing glorified the dj, it became less about the music and more about the pedestal.Hey, at least we have a worldwide culture that actually gives a shit about DJs now. Once the fire dies down these props will be gone and a whole new demographic of dance music fans will remain.
However the same thing happened near the end of the 90's and that fanbase (many who started with shitty tastes in music) held things together for nearly a decade until the next EDM leap took place. I think the EDM base is going to be more important to the future of underground music than many realize.TomViolenz wrote:Yeah yippy a whole new demographic of dance music "fans", who go for the big name instead of the music. The future looks way brighter then, than the present does. I can hardly wait...
I think its just the opposite. Nobody gave DJs any performance credit until the last few decades (starting with scratch DJs). Until the latest boom, most people outside of rave/club culture still thought of a radio, wedding, or request DJ whenever the term was brought up. It was not until recently that DJing has been associated with performance on a wider scale.shadx312 wrote: Worldwide culture has given a shit about dj's since the 60's, and moreso since the 70's once disco came about. The difference is is that since the 2000's with the addition of computers and midi controllers, dj'ing has become a lot cheaper and easier, which means marketable. Since Marketing glorified the dj, it became less about the music and more about the pedestal.
Donnie wrote:I think its just the opposite. Nobody gave DJs any performance credit until the last few decades (starting with scratch DJs). Until the latest boom, most people outside of rave/club culture still thought of a radio, wedding, or request DJ whenever the term was brought up. It was not until recently that DJing has been associated with performance on a wider scale.shadx312 wrote: Worldwide culture has given a shit about dj's since the 60's, and moreso since the 70's once disco came about. The difference is is that since the 2000's with the addition of computers and midi controllers, dj'ing has become a lot cheaper and easier, which means marketable. Since Marketing glorified the dj, it became less about the music and more about the pedestal.
I know because I grew up in the 90's and have spent the last 20 years of my life explaining it to people. Now I don't need to do that anymore. Now there is an entire consumer industry around DJing and Production and I don't think that's a bad thing. I mean, it can be bad in some ways, but on the whole I think its good for the evolution of electronic music.
Ok, then I think it's just a degree of how much someone is informed then, the level of how much a person is involved in sub-cultures vs mainstream. People who passively take in media from mainstream sources only know about what's on the surface so they aren't aware there are sub-cultures and appreciations for certain artists; they don't know those worlds exist.I think its just the opposite. Nobody gave DJs any performance credit until the last few decades (starting with scratch DJs). Until the latest boom, most people outside of rave/club culture still thought of a radio, wedding, or request DJ whenever the term was brought up. It was not until recently that DJing has been associated with performance on a wider scale.
I know because I grew up in the 90's and have spent the last 20 years of my life explaining it to people. Now I don't need to do that anymore. Now there is an entire consumer industry around DJing and Production and I don't think that's a bad thing. I mean, it can be bad in some ways, but on the whole I think its good for the evolution of electronic music.
I grew up in the 90s too, but I don't share your optimism about the future.Donnie wrote:I think its just the opposite. Nobody gave DJs any performance credit until the last few decades (starting with scratch DJs). Until the latest boom, most people outside of rave/club culture still thought of a radio, wedding, or request DJ whenever the term was brought up. It was not until recently that DJing has been associated with performance on a wider scale.shadx312 wrote: Worldwide culture has given a shit about dj's since the 60's, and moreso since the 70's once disco came about. The difference is is that since the 2000's with the addition of computers and midi controllers, dj'ing has become a lot cheaper and easier, which means marketable. Since Marketing glorified the dj, it became less about the music and more about the pedestal.
I know because I grew up in the 90's and have spent the last 20 years of my life explaining it to people. Now I don't need to do that anymore. Now there is an entire consumer industry around DJing and Production and I don't think that's a bad thing. I mean, it can be bad in some ways, but on the whole I think its good for the evolution of electronic music.
All good points, but you can be fairly assured that whichever "tracks" are thrown down, it will all be pre-recorded and there will be additional "technicians" nearby behind the curtains flipping switches and stuff. PH will basically stand there behind some gear donning a pair of pink headphones flashing plastic smiles and an occasional off-cue scratch or two. Whatever form this escapade assumes, there will be an underlying sales motive.yur2die4 wrote:Talent no longer matters. And that's actually the point. There is a reason why there are distinct types of followings. Talk of old or underground music is basically irrelevant in this particular thread if you think about it. What do stadium djs and Paris Hilton have to do with that stuff? Probably next to zilch. Even of you reference techniques or music that predate current ones in exploiting specific techniques, they might sound like better tracks to us, but if you played it to someone with the attention span of a hamster, you'd have a hard time convincing them to appreciate it.
This is just the truth. There are many kinds of audiences. Many kinds of stages. A stage of turntablists would be annoying as fuck at some bars. Just like how having an ultimate rave dj stumble into a bar full of intellectuals and stack 20 epic builds on top of each other would probably end up with cords being ripped out of their equipment.
The ability to dj, or blending, track selection, mixing in key, showing your chops, are all pointless in some establishments if you can't play a single pop song that no one can relate to. Just as in opposite, having too much skill and no downtime would bore another audience. It isn't just the dj making the dj famous.
Some djs just play songs, really poorly ripped songs forced into a wrong bpm and already on the radio. I used to be severely annoyed by those types. I would be aggravated that a bar would even consider paying some guy that probably doesn't even know how to use his equipment to sit there and 'entertain' people all night. But that person steps up, and might actually have a passion for the music they play out (which I migt consider to be shit), and the concept of beat matching might be the absolute last thing they want to consider. To think that an establishment could instead pay someone with 20 years of experience, the best gear, and flawless technique, but not a single track that their clients like.
People attending these shows are not completely after credibility. So that can be thrown out the window too. They want lights and loud crazy noises. They want to hear really loud and obnoxious tracks with nursery rhyme breakdowns. Let em have it. Let them have their people wearing costumes, and being packed like sardines drenched in cologne. It is exactly what they are asking for. More then complexity or restraint. They are asking to skydive.
In the meantime, I'll happily feel some resentment, but also appreciation, for these fucks that seem to have the ability to pied piper all these kids with their noisy reverbs and their humongous snare/clap samples.
And I think Paris just likes picking out the songs that play at a party. Like any dj would like once in a while. I wonder if she takes requests?