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Checked out a couple of the demo videos of that controller. Completely unnecessary for 99% of electronic “musician” composers but they will still buy it anyway because of the name (and associated cost) and it has pretty lights.

I also noticed the dated and beat up state of his workspace compared to my region where they change furniture and walls every 6 months to inspire and promote the synergy of tens of thousands of people working on nothing of value that will most likely fail.

no offence, all I can hear is good theremin-ish sound. What kind of sound will you play with this...?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6KbEnGnymk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E_U1xyK7Gw

beats me wrote:Checked out a couple of the demo videos of that controller. Completely unnecessary for 99% of electronic “musician” composers but they will still buy it anyway because of the name (and associated cost) and it has pretty lights.

I usually like your brand of always sceptic misantropy, but this is just plain dumb.

TomViolenz wrote:

beats me wrote:Checked out a couple of the demo videos of that controller. Completely unnecessary for 99% of electronic “musician” composers but they will still buy it anyway because of the name (and associated cost) and it has pretty lights.

I usually like your brand of always sceptic misantropy, but this is just plain dumb.

How so? How many electronica producers do you think need to drop $1,500 on a controller that can play a sampled steel guitar with more expression? Or even have the musician skills to take full advantage.

beats me wrote:
How so? How many electronica producers do you think need to drop $1,500 on a controller that can play a sampled steel guitar with more expression? Or even have the musician skills to take full advantage.

Well if that were the only thing this thing is capable of, you'd have a point.

It's not, and you don't.

I mean come on 24x8 pads with LED colored lights, Velocity, AT and Midi CC PER pad? In a sleek and transportable package?! With open source software for making any idea you can think of possible? (or the people we pay way too little for doing it for us).

Any electronic musician (or "musician" as you put it) not getting a boner looking at those specs is nothing but a poseur!

Doesn't mean it's worth the money of course. For 500 I would start saving up today, for 750 I would keep it in mind. For 1500 it's not going to happen unless people start paying for music again

$1,500.

Its like the Monome of 2015.

beats me wrote:$1,500.

Its like the Monome of 2015.

no disagreement there, doesn't mean it's unnecessary (meaning not useful) for the electronic musicians who can afford it.

Is this really that different than Live + Touchable? Seems very similar.

I’m not saying it’s useless. I’m saying there will be a good percentage of producers buying it, not getting the most out of it, and could pull off similar things with something far cheaper. Row of 24 pads? That doesn’t even fit into musical math evenly.

It will also be the new crowning jewel of millionaire EDM performer fakery.

Tom I like it better when you're bashing on Americans, that controller is white trash! Sorry.

beats me wrote:I’m not saying it’s useless. I’m saying there will be a good percentage of producers buying it, not getting the most out of it, and could pull off similar things with something far cheaper. Row of 24 pads? That doesn’t even fit into musical math evenly.

It will also be the new crowning jewel of millionaire EDM performer fakery.

well 32 times 8 would be nicer for step sequencing, sure.

But if Ableton is really looking to make Push 2 for Arrangement; I would hope that they would make such a capable grid the center of it!

But for 500 max. that much is clear!

john gordon wrote:Tom I like it better when you're bashing on Americans, that controller is white trash! Sorry.

Oh John, if you Americans weren't so self centered, you'd have realized by now that I'm pretty much an equal opportunity basher

http://www.rogerlinndesign.com/linnstrument.html

Switches, knobs and sliders are good for data entry but not so good for performing music.

didn't know that. whodathunkit?

so it means "stop entering data just learn real instruments!"

pencilrocket wrote:so it means "stop entering data just learn real instruments!"

i like that interpretation of it.

DJs might not think much of it though...