PLEASE FIX THE SCREEN ISSUES

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I made another post here and the ADMIN locked it hoping to shout my mouth, but this does not resolve a problem.

Your post was locked because you keep starting new threads to shout about the same issue, coming across as more of a rant than contributing to the discussions in place already. Obviously it's an issue for users with higher screen resolutions, Ableton is well aware of how many people want this resolved.

Because the fix for Windows users is taking longer than it did for OSX users only means that it's not as simple to solve on that platform. Repeatedly posting the same demands over and over in new threads is not going to get it fixed any faster, so please keep your discussions to some of the threads already in place.

[Warmonger]

users with 4K screens could install version where fonts and everything is already resized inside the program and Windows shows it at 100% sizing

But you can already do that manually for every Windows app.

[Angstrom]

users with 4K screens could install version where fonts and everything is already resized inside the program and Windows shows it at 100% sizing

But you can already do that manually for every Windows app.

Nope, that's the opposite. That option deactivates the intelligent scaling.
When the option is unchecked the GUI is the correct size but blurry because the pixel fonts have not been updated for Windows,
when the option is checked the GUI is microscopically small

this is an image of what the GUI looks like with the option checked. and the scaling "disabled"

[Warmonger]

Nope, that's the opposite. That option deactivates the intelligent scaling.
When the option is unchecked the GUI is the correct size but blurry because the pixel fonts have not been updated for Windows,
when the option is checked the GUI is microscopically small

this is an image of what the GUI looks like with the option checked. and the scaling "disabled"

You have to disable Windows scaling and enable internal scaling.

[aklisiewicz]

I did that. It fixed the problem with super tiny fonts but not the problem with the mouse not working on knobs.
I also don't understand why Ableton cannot replace those crappy fonts which are super ancient in their resolution. No other DAW on the market uses such bad fonts.
One other problem with this fix is that when I open SETTINGS window it is not resized by its own settings) so the fonts in the settings are so small I cannot even read it with my nose touching the screen. At least you could fix this and apply the ZOOM to all Live windows and screens which would for some time resolve the fonts issue. I would really however see Clear Type Fonts implemented ASAP.

I also don't understand WHY WE CANNOT POST A SCREENSHOTS HERE ? this is insane ! ! !
I'm running phpBB forum myself and have no problem with that so why you do ?

Arthur

[Stromkraft]

I also don't understand WHY WE CANNOT POST A SCREENSHOTS HERE ? this is insane ! ! ![/b]

Arthur

That's funny. I could swear there was a discussion about this already.

[Stromkraft]

I also don't understand why Ableton cannot replace those crappy fonts which are super ancient in their resolution.

High-resolution displays reveal Windows 10 blind spot.

[Angstrom]

You have to disable Windows scaling and enable internal scaling.

here's what it looks like at 145 % in Ableton scaling.
Sharpie for scale.
You may find it tricky to read the preference because it's so fucking small, but it really does say "145%"


and before you ask ... yes, of COURSE I tried it at 200% , and it's really not that much different.
On a normal screen I use Ableton at 125% anyway - because my eyes are bad.

200% on a 4k looks the same scale as 70% on my desktop.

I need something above 250% to get the 4k GUI to the same scale as my desktop

[Stefan Jantschek]

Because the fix for Windows users is taking longer than it did for OSX users only means that it's not as simple to solve on that platform.

Thanks.

I highly appreciate any information.

Is it disrespectful to ask for a little more?

It might have a truly happy impact on my patience.

[Warmonger]

I need something above 250% to get the 4k GUI to the same scale as my desktop

With 250% scaling you get effective 1536 x 864 resolution, Why bother with 4K then?

[Angstrom]

I need something above 250% to get the 4k GUI to the same scale as my desktop

With 250% scaling you get effective 1536 x 864 resolution, Why bother with 4K then?

No I wouldn't, because 4k is the resolution of the screen and with win 10 intelligent scaling disabled (WORKAROUND) On MY SCREEN I would need that level of zoom to set it to look normal, AND crisp.

What I am saying is WORKAROUND DOESNT WORK ON SMALL SCREENS

You are not understanding the issue. Pixel density vs dimension. An old 17" monitor with 1080x720 resolution is blurrier than a modern 4k 17" monitor, because the 4k has a greater pixel density. Size of screen is independent of density.

I suspect the 4k monitor you are looking at must be over 22 inches? Perhaps even 40 inches.
You are not looking at the same thing as me. Screen cap your screen, now reduce that image to a 13" diagonal. Tell me that's readable to you.

You are commenting as if you are authoritative. But you are wrong, no matter how often you repeat your wrong information. You not seeing what I am seeing and I am tired of trying to explain what is obvious.

Ableton have not yet fixed 4k scaling on windows, they have admitted this, it is a known fact.
There is a workaround way to make it usable on LARGE 4k monitors, but this is only a workaround and does not work for laptop screens.

When Ableton fix the known bug no users will need to check that preference workaround box because font scaling will work correctly. When I dont touch that box the fonts are blurry, but the GUI is the correct size.
When the bug is fixed the fonts will not be blurry, they will be the right size AND crisp just like on OSX which was fixed in a previous version, and it will work just like most other Win10 applications.

At the moment it is a known bug.

[Warmonger]

You are not looking at the same thing as me. Screen cap your screen, now reduce that image to a 13" diagonal. Tell me that's readable to you.

I'm trying to understand why you ever bought 4K 13" display and why you even attempt to run Ableton on it. I wouldn't run Ableton on 13" no matter the resolution.

There is no solution. This is your fault. Next time think before you buy something.

[Angstrom]

*Removed by Admin*

Personal attacks are NOT allowed on the Ableton forums.

[Stefan Jantschek]

15" 4K notebooks have the same problem.

The ignorance of dear Mr. Warmmonger is also close to personal attack.
And a perfect example why it does not make sense to talk here anymore.

I´m sorry.

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The warning to avoid personal attacks applies to everyone including Warmonger, Angstrom's was just particularly out of line and in violation of our community guidelines.