Oscillate volume by key press

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Stromkraft
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Re: Oscillate volume by key press

Post by Stromkraft » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:42 pm

8E wrote: A plug-in focused in MIDI CC could do the same thing.
Yes, I have tested Expression Control, but it is heavily lagging.[/quote]

EC has 0 samples of latency so something is wrong then. Are you using the latest version? For me it reacts immediately though it needs a note on of course. You could circumvent the hearable effects of that with some nifty ADSR settings.
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Re: Oscillate volume by key press

Post by 8E » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:11 pm

Stromkraft wrote:
8E wrote: A plug-in focused in MIDI CC could do the same thing.
Yes, I have tested Expression Control, but it is heavily lagging.
EC has 0 samples of latency so something is wrong then. Are you using the latest version? For me it reacts immediately though it needs a note on of course. You could circumvent the hearable effects of that with some nifty ADSR settings.[/quote]

Yes, I have the latest versions of Live Suite 9, included Max4Live and Push 1. I will try to experiment this further.

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Re: Oscillate volume by key press

Post by pottering » Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:45 am

8E wrote:Is there in Live's Trumpet solo any possibility to do that?
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That's a Rack made of 2 Simplers. Simpler doesn't have aftertouch as source of modulation. You have to right-click the title-bar of both Simplers and convert them to instances of Sampler. On the Samplers you will find Aftertouch modulation on the MIDI tab.

Though now that I think about it, in the Trumpet Solo Legato instrument you only need to tweak the Simpler in the "Sustain" Chain, "Release" would not be affect by aftertouch, I guess.

OBS: In Live modulation works like a percentage of the value in the parameter. So if a parameter is set to 0 it won't modulate anything.
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Re: Oscillate volume by key press

Post by 8E » Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:06 am

pottering wrote:
That's a Rack made of 2 Simplers. Simpler doesn't have aftertouch as source of modulation. You have to right-click the title-bar of both Simplers and convert them to instances of Sampler. On the Samplers you will find Aftertouch modulation on the MIDI tab.

Though now that I think about it, in the Trumpet Solo Legato instrument you only need to tweak the Simpler in the "Sustain" Chain, "Release" would not be affect by aftertouch, I guess.

OBS: In Live modulation works like a percentage of the value in the parameter. So if a parameter is set to 0 it won't modulate anything.
Wow, I didn't know that trick exists, to change from Simp to Samp. Thank you very much. Wonderful!
I try to tweak it now, but seems that it is more complex than I expected: the most of the problem I face is the tone color (piano versus forte) which doesn't seem to be available (to switch between). Basically, when you hit hard a pad you get very trumpet forte, and releasing the key (aftertouch) it just diminishes the volume, not switching to the colour of piano. Also, when playing piano, there is a limit to go up with dynamics, a very little, since the sample is just very weak.
Perhaps something to address to Ableton developers, as an idea.

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