Linux + Live

Sales Dude McBoob · Post by **Sales Dude McBoob** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:17 pm

I really hope that linux is the future for audio, it's already getting there, i'd love it if Ableton made history (again) by being one of the first fully commercial companies to market for THREE operating systems. Hell I'd pay more!

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about!

Imagine a laptop that is optimized for running audio programs...

A streamlined OS that is stable enough to run the mainframe computer of an aircraft carrier -but you are using it to create music on stage or where ever- and you can have the same confidence in your equipment that Google has in the eqiupemnt that runs their search engines.

It's not that hard to imagine. It's the true pure sense of freedom and power that the digital revolution can and may ultimately lead to.

I don't want to be gouged by Gates and Jobs. I want the power and freedom of Linux.

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:39 pm

Linux? Why?

Leave it to the geeks!

elemental · Post by **elemental** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:50 pm

Although I'm happy with it on XP ..

I would be all for Live on Linux.
The problem being, VST's - if VST's or AudioUnits could be ported to Linux - all good - but till then I would not consider it.

The idea of having streamlined audio machine is the way forward imo.

djastroboy · Post by **djastroboy** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:17 pm

I use Linux for a lot of Audio work. If Live and a few choice VSTs were working on Linux, I'd be Windows-free. Especially after I recently lost a gig to a screwed up windows driver problem that made my laptop inoperable. Out of the blue, I'm setting up to play and Whamo! Windows won't boot.
Linux is so much more stable: only hardware failures stop a working system.
I'd pay US$thousands for Live on Linux. The VST avaliability problem would probably be moot once a bunch of people started using Live on Linux 'cuz the native Linux synthesizer/effect developer community would really blossom.

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:50 pm

hambone1 wrote:Linux? Why?

Leave it to the geeks!

I used to say that, then i actually had a good look at it on a friend's recomendation and I was pretty shocked at how well thought out and useful everything was.

Every time i use it i can't quite believe it's not the main PC OS. I'm pretty happy with my setup and i've got XP running as smooth as i like but it has to be said that its a really bloated OS to use for a specialist task like audio production. There's a ton of shit you don't need in there because it's been designed to cater for as many different uses as possible. You have to do quite a bit of tweaking and uninstalling hidden programs in XP to really streamline it.

I'm not looking forward to Longhorn, if it ever arrives, whatever it turns out to be, you can be sure that it's still going to have shitloads of consumer crap in it that you're never going to want if your doing audio.

With Linux you could build an OS especially to suit your needs, then pass it on so that somebody else could benefeit, improve and pass it back, Just built for Audio.

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:52 pm

djastroboy wrote:IThe VST avaliability problem would probably be moot once a bunch of people started using Live on Linux 'cuz the native Linux synthesizer/effect developer community would really blossom.

Definately!

Sales Dude McBoob · Post by **Sales Dude McBoob** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:31 am

IThe VST avaliability problem would probably be moot once a bunch of people started using Live on Linux 'cuz the native Linux synthesizer/effect developer community would really blossom.

Definately!

Then once the fire really gets started with with the community of Linux delevopers all of the software manufacturers will fall in line one by one.

But somebodys got to get the thing started...

amo · Post by **amo** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:52 am

Sales Dude McBoob wrote:
IThe VST avaliability problem would probably be moot once a bunch of people started using Live on Linux 'cuz the native Linux synthesizer/effect developer community would really blossom.

Definately!
Then once the fire really gets started with with the community of Linux delevopers all of the software manufacturers will fall in line one by one.

But somebodys got to get the thing started...

Well said Dude

About VSTs: it begins to be possible to use VSTs and VSTis under Linux, the list of working ones is growing day by day... Things go fast.

Hope too to see you guys at Ableton mark history once again.

Thanks and regards,

amo

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:02 am

Excuse my ignorance... trying to be open-minded & learn here...

Why would Linux be an improvement over the upcoming multi-core Macintels?

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:16 am

Ableton hast even implemented virtual midi i/o. (probably because it's near impossible for windows)

If they go for linux. They'll even have to leave out more (easy to implement) features. Just because it would be possible on linux/osx. And very hard in windows.

The mo platforms. The mo problems....

spiderprod · Post by **spiderprod** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:59 am

the learning process is quite long if you really want to get use to linux .
i don't think musicians will spend the time to read the books you have to read to understand linux .
i know a studio who uses linux as their main os , but the enginer wrote all the softwares he needed ,the system is very basic ,just there to record audio at high sample rates .

amo · Post by **amo** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:06 am

Hoffman2k>>> I think there is a bunch of virtual midi/audio cables even on PC. And what does it have to do with portability to Linux ? OSX and XP are quite different, with different features, but the software heart is the same. Linux is about to compile this heart around your own hardware.

Spiderprod>>> Yes you are right, though I think:
1. It is becomming easier and easier
2. Live could come already bundled with a Linux distribution, therefore choose the best one to suit its need, and to avoid hassles.
3. not everybody has to go to linux, Win and OSX remain, anyone can choose what suits best his needs....
maybe some more, but I've got to go to work....

Cheers,
amo

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:27 am

OK.. let me re-phrase that...

How could Linux possibly be an improvement over upcoming multi-core superfast Macintels?

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:35 am

amo wrote:Hoffman2k>>> I think there is a bunch of virtual midi/audio cables even on PC. And what does it have to do with portability to Linux ? OSX and XP are quite different, with different features, but the software heart is the same. Linux is about to compile this heart around your own hardware.

Cheers,
amo

I base this on a discussion i had with the developers of plogue bidule.
I asked why the mac version has virtual midi i/o BUILT-IN. And the pc version doesn't.
It's simply because adding virtual midi i/o to an application on osx is very easy (according to some developers)
As opposed to adding it on windows. People need to use a third party app like midi yoke...

The point i wanted to make is. If they already cant add simple features, because they want to keep the mac/pc version the same.
then what is the point in adding a third platform which may have more or less possibility's?

The only reason i can see would be for the hardware. Which doesn't make much sense. Pc parts are still pc parts.

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:51 am

hambone1 wrote:OK.. let me re-phrase that...

How could Linux possibly be an improvement over upcoming multi-core superfast Macintels?

It remains to be seen what they'll actually be like because at the moment it's just news. They'll probably be great it's true, but a lot of people simply won't be able to afford to afford to buy one, and even then keep up with the cost of upgrading all the time. I think linux would be a better 2nd option than Windows, for obvious reasons.

I think this is all a pipe dream anyway, I really don't think anyone's going to want to code for three platforms at the moment even though I'd love it if they did.

I recon it's more likely that some of this OS emulation software (or is it hardware?) will allow us to run any software on anything at some point.