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I always get Shaun Ryder and Shane McGowan mixed up.. both total assholes.

wwwwwoooaaaaa there

shaun ryder is a lyrical genius

shane mcgowan is a brendan behan wannabee

Martyn wrote:You're probably right Fax, definately about Rider & Goldie. I don't know why they got the credit they did (where were Underworld?)

At the time it was just happening like that here, nobody questioned it, the general vibe in those Thatcher years was so low that nobody cared anyway, I know I didn't. We didn't all end up like Shaun Rider either, personally, I had a blast and don't regret a second of it.

That was just the UK though, it was a coiled spring just waiting to let off steam, we'd had poll tax riots, massive unemployment, everybody was angry and anti establishment. I think that in a small country like ours, that kind of energy finds focus quite quickly, it just happened that music was the catalyst to help let it out.

At least that's just how I saw it at the time.

Luckily my folks moved down under in the 70s so I missed those thatcher years, but in a way I feel unlucky because I think I would have much rather lived through the whole rave thing than a fucking re-hash of something old.

where I was there was this whole US Grunge, "relive the punk years" bloody seattle thing going on, and it completely overshadowed what was a genuinely new birth of a whole musical sub-culture - very much reminiscent of punk in it's anti-establishment attitude, as opposed to nirvana which was played by every bloody radio station in the known universe.

Dont get me wrong I dutifully played in a grunge band to pay my bills and quite liked alot of it, but it certainly never made me feel like a big night on magic beans with amazing [insert-subgenre] house playing.

Then I've been on Coke and gone out and not been able to even tell anyone what kind of music was on that night but emma looked fucken sexy.

so which is more productive for a musician?

Well actually 99.9% of the time it's weed because it totally exaggerates that music appreciation bit but simultaneously makes you a hermit so all you can do is sit in front of your computer and make tunes.

I've tried making music on everything bar speed and heroin and I've noticed the difference but I would never denounce any of them as they are all as much a part of the human experience as anything else these days and you can still make music - might be a bit bizarre but it injects something new into it.

Anyway
my 2 cents






I guess I say that because I love electronic music most of all, and music represents an unhealthy portion of my life so the "scene" I'm most exposed to is important to me, but I do feel a bit gutted to have missed that whole acid house rave thing. I was staying with my aunt in SW London when I was 16 and my cousin told me there was a rave on down the road and I just shrugged and said 'oh yeah' because I didnt know what she meant!!!! So I could have at least gone to one but didnt, just like when my uncle didnt tqake me to a Celtic Rangers game cause he thought I wouldnt have wanted to go.
Fuck man I wouldnt miss that for anyhing. It would be a total blast even though I'd have to get them to remind me which was which and why no one's taken a mark yet.

Fax01: I think it was probably speed that fucked it in Oz. In the UK it was Cocaine. The vibe changed because it went from loved up fotball nutters going raving, back to the normal thuggish antics of coked up psychos when the buzz went from E to coke or speed. (in Oz speed is the main substitute because Coke is so unbelievably expensive so it's still a yuppy drug, but in the UK everyone's into it, and unlike ecstacy which makes you everyone's friend and super appreciative of music, Coke makes you want to either talk your best mates ears off, watch 2 lesbian prostitutes shagging or Smash a glass over someone's head. Most of the time it's the first one, but it is also the last fairly often for many people, especially when they are smoking it. So this is what changed the vibe IMO.


Ecstacy created house music just as Acid created Psychedlia in the 60s.

Dont take me wrong you are blessed if you can wig out (or whatever the term you used was) sober - saves you a whole lotta cash and headfuck, but I fear the majority of society cant, and therefore the drug of choice, even if just alcohol will MASSIVELY influence the music produced by that generation. But given it was the 50s when people started getting into amphetemines of different descriptions and drug use en masse has only increased substatially since then it's completely naive to suggest that ecstacy killed house music when it was actually one of it's main driving forces.

shyeah, thats the ticket.

drugs make music happen. You simp.

Drugs are for the pleebs who cant think about one thing long enough to imagine it might hurt them.

figures this would come out in the house music post. Sure if all you're listening to for 8 hours is 4 on the floor bass pumping, you'd probably need drugs to prevent early onset boredom. That doesnt mean Ecstacy created house music, just that it dopes up your listeners enough so that they cant drive home.

computo wrote:shyeah, thats the ticket.

drugs make music happen. You simp.

Drugs are for the pleebs who cant think about one thing long enough to imagine it might hurt them.

figures this would come out in the house music post. Sure if all you're listening to for 8 hours is 4 on the floor bass pumping, you'd probably need drugs to prevent early onset boredom. That doesnt mean Ecstacy created house music, just that it dopes up your listeners enough so that they cant drive home.

I would guess by that bit of writing that you've never done anything like that yes? not sure i would these days, so it definately never 'hooked' me at all. Dunno if it's a good thing or not in the grand scheme. I do know some things for sure though, all those cliches that the media fed me, like the word 'dope' turned out to be the opposite. I experienced an enhancement of my wellbeing and tolerance towards people i'd previously thought of as enemies (for want of a better expression).

I used to custom spray bikes for a living, and at the time was hanging out with an MC bike gang that were outcast from Hells angels, some of them were the most violent , racist, bigoted, homophobic people I hope i'll ever meet. I personally witnessed ecstasy turn a lot of those people into the exact opposite! The rave scene resulted in the complete disbandment of that particular 'Gang' as they one by one came to their senses, realised what they'd been doing all those years and moved on to new, more civilised pastures.

The Hells Angels eventually banned the use of E in their clubs because they were losing too many members!

Forge is totally correct, cocaine killed the scene in the uk. It's a moralless drug. Ecstasy, whatever the longterm effects, whatever the media would have you believe, had a very positive and longlasting SPIRITUAL effect on a lot of people i know, including myself. that also includes it's downside, which for me is this;

How can i continue to live happily in a world where people don't realise how EASY it could be to LOVE. Why does everybody have to keep fighting each other? Why can't we tolerate each other's differences? Shit, i could go on for hours.

Computo, go and hire a Bill Hicks dvd. You know all those bands that influenced nearly everything you grew up listening to? "REAL FUCKIN HIGH ON DRUGS!"

kennerb wrote:

ilynx wrote:i can't seem to get the video portion of the file to work. all three links play only the audio portion. i think i have the latest version of realplayer.

any suggestions?

Yeah, try Real Alternative http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Rea ... native.htm


or an newer version of RealPlayer. It sounds like a codec issue.

ok, this is too much for me, but hopefully someone here can explain...
i unistalled realplayer, installed realalternative, and still only got audio. when the audio was playing, i had to move realalternative from one of my monitors to the other, and lo and behold, there was the video, playing right along. so i moved it back to the original monitor it was on, and away went the video. so, if i play it on one monitor, the video is there, on the other, it is not. can anyone explain that to me?

anyways, at least i get to see the video now, thanks for the help.

ilynx

computo wrote:shyeah, thats the ticket.

drugs make music happen. You simp.

Drugs are for the pleebs who cant think about one thing long enough to imagine it might hurt them.

figures this would come out in the house music post. Sure if all you're listening to for 8 hours is 4 on the floor bass pumping, you'd probably need drugs to prevent early onset boredom. That doesnt mean Ecstacy created house music, just that it dopes up your listeners enough so that they cant drive home.

You need to chill dude. Maybe house music isn't yer bag, but, as an artist (if you are), I would think that you would realize your comments make you appear about as perceptive as a nun in a whorehouse. Now move along...

Man, this is great. Thanks to the original poster for this gem!


Does anyone know if a similar documentary exists detailing the evolution of the Detroit sound and techno?

I would love to see it if it does!

computo wrote:shyeah, thats the ticket.

drugs make music happen. You simp.

Drugs are for the pleebs who cant think about one thing long enough to imagine it might hurt them.

figures this would come out in the house music post. Sure if all you're listening to for 8 hours is 4 on the floor bass pumping, you'd probably need drugs to prevent early onset boredom. That doesnt mean Ecstacy created house music, just that it dopes up your listeners enough so that they cant drive home.

sure drugs didnt make music happen, but the scenes certainly wouldnt have been as big without them...

even the blues men in the 30s used to smoke weed - there's still posters around today from the anti-marijuana (a name chosen for the mexican connotations incidentally) lobby where they depict African americans as synonimous with 'the devils weed' saying "would you like your daughter to marry him?" or something equally as offensive.

I'm by no means saying it's the be all and end all, but it's silly to pretend it didnt have anything to do with the music scenes, music and hedonism in general has been part of music and art for hundreds of years.

Read Lewis Carroll or Samuel Taylor Coleridge for one.

what's good about these programs is that Derrick May doesn't come accross as the asshat he usually is in interviews

fuck underworld - where was Jeff Mills and UR?

'88 dancing in fields - good days from what i can remember

mo

mosca wrote:fuck underworld - where was Jeff Mills and UR?

Good point,

There was more to D&B than Goldie though, he came across terribly. So did Mr C.

I only mentioned underworld because they crossed a lot of people over via their legendary live sets. I can think of loads of other great artists of that time that could equally have been it there.

Have there been any documentaries like that in the States? I'd like to see one from the US perspective, It'd be nice to see how it evolved on that side of the pond, the likes of underground Resistance and such.

In reference to the original poster. Have you seen this?

http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html

Similar, but from a different angle.

This is a good review for me having missed this whole scene completely. I just found out that drum and bass is a style not just part if my rhythm section.

Can anyone tell me how long this documentary was, who directed/produced it, and where to buy it/ view it? (I can't get the links to open anything).

And why would Jeff Mills or Underworld be in there? That's techno and trance, respectively.