Richie Hawtin DJing with Ableton and Serato Scratch Live

robtronik · Post by **robtronik** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:26 am

Kage wrote:Serato owns Finalcrash.. I use to be a user, but I switched when SSL came out and never looked back..

Final Scratch is owned by Stanton with the software portion developed and sourced from Native Instruments.

I used traktor DJ studio for a couple of years (on a mac), but then became disatisfied with their final scratch integration as it was buggy. BUGGY.

Its too bad... but then again, I would never have considered Live if it hadn't been for that. So, I'm happy to leave that piece of software behind. BTW, Serato is apparently the best of its class for that type of VInyl solution (ms. pinky is good too - and cheaper).

rob.

Kage · Post by **Kage** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:03 am

I'm talking that Serato is greater than Finalscratch.. serato OWNS finalscratch's ASS!

Trat · Post by **Trat** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:59 am

Kage wrote:I'm talking that Serato is greater than Finalscratch.. serato OWNS finalscratch's ASS!

Who cares? I would stil destroy u when u where dj-ing on ur Serato and I where doing it with TFS. Nobody on the dancefloor cares about with what u spin. And trolling about Serato onws TFS is just sad. On a pc serato just doesn;t run that nice as TFS. On a Mac, TFS just doens't run as good as serato. Hawtin likes Macs more than Windows pc's so that's why he uses it. He has been using TFS for years and everything was ok, but on a Mac it never performed like everyone hoped for...

musick · Post by **musick** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:43 pm

detroitechno wrote:
musick wrote:When the new Mac hardware (based on Intel) comes out you can do all this with one laptop
you can NOT run both programs off of 1 computer. when you run two seperate soundcards this way (with turntables, line leve, and 2nd soundcard line leve). you will cause a ground loop or 'buzzing' sound. try it and you will see what I'm talking about.
also, having everything on one computer isn't a great idea cause your doubling your chances of something going wrong. 2 computers, you always have a back-up running.

good luck!

Your invited to see both programs running from one computer at my place

The SSL 'scrratch amp' is isolated with a DC/DC converter from the USB. Rane quality build.

musick · Post by **musick** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:45 pm

drush wrote:oh yeh you're right.. the red sound (peavey) thing does bpm detection but not out. i always forget it didn't act like their other bpm/sync doohickey.

Red Sound did also make a device which generates MIDI clock from incoming audio, but they did stop making these

musick · Post by **musick** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:52 pm

robtronik wrote:You had a Zone 92 mixer with midi? (we all know youre lying but anyway) With richies setup its a breeeeeeeeeeezze to set up.
Not only did I own it, I still have it. It is the best DJ Mixer I've ever owned, bar none.

rob.

There only 6 of these modified Xone's around, all in use by the Richie and other mnus artists. I don't think A&H will make a series production of them.

telekom · Post by **telekom** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:59 pm

Never mind the software, have you seen the fringe? C'mon Richie, shave it off !!!

Kage · Post by **Kage** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:04 pm

Trat wrote:
Kage wrote:I'm talking that Serato is greater than Finalscratch.. serato OWNS finalscratch's ASS!
Who cares? I would stil destroy u when u where dj-ing on ur Serato and I where doing it with TFS. Nobody on the dancefloor cares about with what u spin. And trolling about Serato onws TFS is just sad. On a pc serato just doesn;t run that nice as TFS. On a Mac, TFS just doens't run as good as serato. Hawtin likes Macs more than Windows pc's so that's why he uses it. He has been using TFS for years and everything was ok, but on a Mac it never performed like everyone hoped for...

Destroy me how? Nobody cares what I spin?.. Hmm.. better ask all the clubs and clubbers I've played to about that

I'm just stating my opinion about Serato.. I'm not trolling.. I'm saving people money from using junky ass software/hardware that doesn't work. Oh, did I mention that I love PAYING for software upgrades for Finalscratch to make it work on my updated operating system?... NOT...

Also, I've used serato on both my Mac & PC and it owns Finalcrash on both machines.. Trust me.. I've played all over with TFS in the USA, and it's done nothing but glitched out at me at clubs.. Great example was playing tronic treatment in NYC where I had to switch back to vinyl immediately due to FS spazzing out in the middle of my set..

Haha.. and by the way bro, you make me laugh with your awesome spelling skills.. Keep destorying me with that

musick · Post by **musick** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 8:33 am

telekom wrote:Never mind the software, have you seen the fringe? C'mon Richie, shave it off !!!

What's a 'fringe'?

galo · Post by **galo** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:12 am

musick wrote:
robtronik wrote:You had a Zone 92 mixer with midi? (we all know youre lying but anyway) With richies setup its a breeeeeeeeeeezze to set up.
Not only did I own it, I still have it. It is the best DJ Mixer I've ever owned, bar none.

rob.
There only 6 of these modified Xone's around, all in use by the Richie and other mnus artists. I don't think A&H will make a series production of them.

I saw an advertisement a couple of weeks ago for nic fanculli and James Talk, who are two house dj's that where using ableton and one of the modified 92 mixers

montrealbreaks · Post by **montrealbreaks** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:43 am

I really don't care about mixing records, but for scratching freshly recorded samples, Live and Final Scratch can work on one computer.

I was doing it live three years ago. That was with FS 1.1 and Live 2 on a Mac Powerbook G4. It was stable AS LONG as I minimized as much of my sets as possible, minimal effects, only 4 or so tracks playing, etc etc.

I would record a phrase from my MC, and start looping it. Then, my turntablist would get in on the action - he had my FS records and hooked my Scratch Amp to his mixer. I controlled the computer, but he could scratch what I was looping and vice versa.

The ONLY issue with FS 1.1 and Live was trying to access the same file at once, it would cause freezing.

Now, regarding Serato Scratch, I am a little concerned about using it with live. I read on this forum that there is a problem with Serato changing your audio files (writing inaudible data that represents the tagged info for the track) that renders the .asd file obsolete. Not cool. If Serato has fixed this, then I would get back into it, but otherwise it's not worth it.

Of course you could use two computers, but then transferring samples becomes an issue - you have to record with Live and then network the two comps and drag them across in the browser. Pain in the butt. I want a one computer solution.

robtronik · Post by **robtronik** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:11 am

galo wrote:
musick wrote:
Not only did I own it, I still have it. It is the best DJ Mixer I've ever owned, bar none.

rob.
There only 6 of these modified Xone's around, all in use by the Richie and other mnus artists. I don't think A&H will make a series production of them.
I saw an advertisement a couple of weeks ago for nic fanculli and James Talk, who are two house dj's that where using ableton and one of the modified 92 mixers

To be clear, I own the Xone:92 with unmodified MIDI control. It is the standard one released with MIDI controls. Just wanted to be clear in case I somehow led someone to believe that I have one of the very few "modified" versions.

To tell you the truth, I don't really care as much anymore about MIDI control through a MIDI mixer (at this point) as I am having too much fun just controlling everything through Live with my external Midi controllers.

rob.

claudek · Post by **claudek** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:36 am

Serato Scratch on my Mac is awesome..I am on a G4 Ibook 800 and it is a dream..Final Crash was a nervous experience..Never will I go back..they just took my money and screwed me..All respect to Rane !

vince watson · Post by **vince watson** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:41 pm

AdamJay wrote:kabuki, you are right.
the best way to enjoy Hawtin is right in the middle of the dancefloor.
preferably equidistant from all 4 speakers in a quad sound set up

hehe...no...the best way to enjoy hawtin is to afterparty with him

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 6:03 pm

vince: tis possibly true, considering the infamous louisville air hockey match.

hawtin vs. plaslaiko vs. a bottle of vodka

not too pretty, but definitely a larf...