Screw this...I'm going Mac...

futureproof · Post by **futureproof** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:13 pm

yup...my mac using friends just simply couldnt answer the question either.

mountain biking huh? have you checked out the google earth beta? that may be of use once its finished.

kabuki · Post by **kabuki** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:28 pm

For me, it all comes down to security and resale value.

I don't have to spend a dime on Virus protection software (or have any installed for that matter), but I spend $300 on the Applecare Warranty and it DOUBLES my resale value.

If you get the PB, really concider the Applecare (it transfers to the new owner = 3 years of good coverage).

Word up.

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:41 pm

futureproof wrote:yup...my mac using friends just simply couldnt answer the question either.

mountain biking huh? have you checked out the google earth beta? that may be of use once its finished.

I'll check out the Google Earth thing. It looks pretty amazing.

And if you think there's an answer to the question, you wouldn't understand anyway...

smart1123 · Post by **smart1123** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:48 pm

15" Powerbook, Combo drive 1gig RAM 1.5gHz Processor... Applecare!!!

Sales Dude McBoob · Post by **Sales Dude McBoob** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:49 pm

Yeah the internet thing. I love Reaktor, but what fun is it paying big bucks for a laptop that I'd be afraid to plug into the DSL router with the ISP service I'm paying $40 a month for?

I go in my room, turn on the AC, plug in the Ozonic and headphones, and I'm on! Oh, need a new driver? I go and get it and download it and I keep on working right there on my comfy bed.

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:52 pm

SDMcB

Make sure you don't hot-plug or unplug your Ozonic. You can fry the Firewire connection on either end. Wouldn't be a good thing...

My Yamaha 01V started playing up, so I plugged the Ozonic straight into the BX-8s for the front pair and BX-5s for the rear pair. I think I'm gonna try to gig without an external mixer at all. Scary but I think possible with all the knobs and sliders that can control stuff in Live. In fact, using a multiband compressor with knobs set for low, mid, and hi theshold works a lot better than EQ.

I digress...

Lo-Fi Massahkah · Post by **Lo-Fi Massahkah** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:54 pm

I probably shouldn't be getting in to this...

...but what fun is it paying big bucks for a laptop that I'd be afraid to plug into the DSL router with the ISP service I'm paying $40 a month for?

...but what are you afraid of?

And also - out of true curiosity. Like Futureproof said:

What is it exactly about osx thats so great IYO?

What makes OSX such a great OS? And please don't say stability. Tell me about the functionality! What makes a difference in everyday use?

Cheers,
Mikael

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:55 pm

It's the glowing Apple. It's a nondefinable, intangible, illogical quality that surpasses functionality, stability, security, cost, and speed.

If you don't understand it, you never will...

starving student · Post by **starving student** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:57 pm

dude hasn't said why he's going mac yet

New Yawkah · Post by **New Yawkah** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 4:02 pm

I've read that intel is customizing a 64 bit monster processor for Apple. I just got an AMD laptop to "hold me over" 'till they get out there... Mac os is just smarter than windows os imho. If you check out some installation PDF's and the procedures for Mac and compare to the install procedure for Windows, for instance, the Mac will have 1 paragraph of simple plug-and-play type instructions and Windows will be 2-3 pages of disabling this, enabling that, change settings on the other thing, re-starting after this, etc........ Computers are supposed to make our lives easier- not complicate things. Just seems to me, Steve jobs strives to do this more than Bill Gates and co. I've NEVER had to buy any virus or cleaning the software programs or any other scam product in all my Mac years. Not bashing Windows, but I cant wait to just take the hit, unload my Windows laptop, and get the Macintel 64 bitter! I would have loved a laptop that I could do all my audio as well as surf the net with- but I refuse to load all that extra junk on my system just to "protect" my laptop from the big bad internet, so it will never see the light of cyberspace. Bill Gates must own a piece of Mcafee and Norton.
I apologize for the rant....

Peace.

Sales Dude McBoob · Post by **Sales Dude McBoob** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 4:07 pm

Lofi- I meant that I wouldn't want to pay $1500 for a PC laptop and never be able to go online with it. I used to use a PC but I was a bit of a worm magnet. Got a bad case of Masterblaster that rendered my PC useless, and that was through a hardware router with Norton Internet Security software. I was hacked to pieces. Running 12 Reaktors is cool, but OSX is better for me.

The PC I use at work will do the same fishy things that my old PC running Sonar would do. In the middle of a session the computer would suddenly not recognise the audio hardware anymore, so you have to go in and fish around with the preferences.

That sort of thing can happen with Macs too, but it doesn't seem to happen to me. The real kicker for OSX with me is that I can understand everything in the dialog boxes. With PCs you constantly get these computo-speak dialog boxes. What good is a dialog if you can't understand the language they are speaking? Example: "EXE error blah-blah. Then Blah BLah on for a whole paragraph of blah". What fucking ever. I'm not an IT person. I'm a person. OSX address you as a person. It doesn't assume that you personally have an IT staff at you beck and call to asssist you.

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 4:09 pm

Like said, which OS you're on means fuck all when you're running a music app...

But I use a couple of free as in beer & speech pieces of Unix software and I genuinely enjoy command lines and such, that's one of the reasons for me.

One thing though, I don't know how far XP is compared to OSX, but in OSX you can drag and drop everything (like, the stuff that's between these parantheses I wrote in a text editor and then dragged and dropped into Safari (not copy-pasted). You can do this between more or less all mac apps (it's in the programming APIs, your apps get it 'for free'), and with images and other things as well; you want something in or out of the dock? drag it. don't want the volume control in your menu bar? cmd+drag it out... simple!), if something can be printed you can turn it into a PDF at the click of a button (again, this is 'for free' from a programmer's perspective) - it's all these little things...

Plus, the fact that I'm used to it. I just find MacOS to be a lot sexier than XP, not just the way it looks, but the way it acts... Would You Like To Save? and such dialogs are attached to the windows they apply to... stuff.

Plus: the fact that I'm used to it

Also, when it comes to the hardware - my two year old iBook is one of the ones whose logic board crashes and burns every now and then, but sides that(!) the hardware is sturdy. I've ridden this thing down flights of stairs for fuck's sake! (not on purpose though!)... it's one of the best looking laptops out there (don't say that's completely unimportant - esp. not if you're gigging), and it's got 6 pin firewire.

And I may be the odd man out here, but my 900 MHz G3 processor gives me about 70% of the power I need, I reckon (not to keen on soft synths though - plus still on L3!), and I don't mind bouncing things down. I dunno. Stuff. I just like my Mac

-Paws

Lo-Fi Massahkah · Post by **Lo-Fi Massahkah** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 4:09 pm

If you check out some installation PDF's and the procedures for Mac and compare to the install procedure for Windows, for instance, the Mac will have 1 paragraph of simple plug-and-play type instructions and Windows will be 2-3 pages of disabling this, enabling that, change settings on the other thing, re-starting after this, etc........

One thing though, I don't know how far XP is compared to OSX, but in OSX you can drag and drop everything

Now, that seems like a few valid arguments.

Give me some more, please!

Regards,
Mikael

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 4:17 pm

Exposé, Spotlight, Dashboard, Automator, Bonjour.

Once you use 'em, you wonder how you ever got along with 'em. Especially if you work on multiple apps simultaneously or have thousands of files to organize or sift through.

Sales Dude McBoob · Post by **Sales Dude McBoob** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 4:17 pm

This is sort of lame of me, but I finally figured out why I love Macs.
I will quote myself...

The real kicker for OSX with me is that I can understand everything in the dialog boxes. With PCs you constantly get these computo-speak dialog boxes. What good is a dialog if you can't understand the language they are speaking? Example: "EXE error blah-blah. Then Blah Blah for a whole paragraph of blah". What fucking ever. I'm not an IT person. I'm a person. OSX addresses you as a person. It doesn't assume that you have an IT staff at your beck and call to asssist you.

Forgive me.

Thanks for the tip hambone. Luckily I read the manual before I plugged it in! And yes, in the Ozonic manual, the set instructions for Mac are half a page. The PC set up instructions are 3 or more pages.