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I use the keyboard keys as MIDI buttons. 37 immediately available, and 128 in total available with octave transpose. 16 times that many if you wanna mess with different Ozonic presets using all 16 MIDI channels...

The only hard part is remembering what they all do! I tend to use the black ones for launching audio one-shots, because they're easier to play and get to, and use the white keys for launching video and lighting clips.

DanClarke wrote:not to sound like a complete tool, but these look more like keyboards, isn't there something more along the lines of a Mixer more akin to a mixer used with decks, eg:
?

look at the other thread on the uc33 (http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24609)

basically theres a massive gap in the market for a device that you (and others) are after.

i know m-audio have one about to come out (i was told in a music shop a while ago but have no other details) and it would make sense that some hybrid of the ozonic and the uc33 would make a lot of sense.

if the uc33 had more buttons (one next to each knob, and four alongside each fader), a crossfader and a two stereo pair audio interface (one pair of phono, one headphone perhaps) it would be perfect.

and for the sake of having a big enough market, adaptable enough for most people to use in a variety of applications.

come m-audio, sort it out!

DanClarke wrote:not to sound like a complete tool, but these look more like keyboards, isn't there something more along the lines of a Mixer more akin to a mixer used with decks, eg:



?

unfortunately, no.

But I can't believe that SOMEONE can't put out a Mixer that will have the functionality and layout of a good DJ mixer, with a 4 channel output, that is completely MIDI transmittable (that doesnt cost a REDICULOUS ammount of green, AnH).

The closest is the Behringer BFR 2000 (or the BCR 2ooo), but they don't have audio.

The Hercules is OK (but look like crap.

Allen and Heath are working on one (if you can spend $2k)

what about this? It seems to have most features i'd need, and it's reasonably priced, anyone usede these before?:

http://www.faderfox.de/LV1/Pict0072/pict0072.html

A lot of folk like them. They received good reviews. No audio in or outs. Not available in the US. I have to see and try before I buy myself.

If you are electronically inclined (see: can solder and install firmware) there are a few really cool DIY kits for controllers.

Do a search for DIY or Do It Yourself...

Anyone wants a cheap, used Apple laptop... look no further.

Haha.


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subterFUSE wrote:Anyone wants a cheap, used Apple laptop... look no further.

Haha.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050816/ap_ ... ter_frenzy

Wow. Didn't know there was such a demand!

Anybody wanna buy a slightly used Powerbook. I'll cut a deal if you crap your pants.

jk

There isn't.

People will just do anything for free shit. (Or practically free shit)

Even shit for free?

subterFUSE wrote:

So Apple will probably release one more G4 powerbook before the macintels roll out, and the Paris Apple Expo is probably the most logical choice IMO.

In their ideal world, this would definitly be the case.

But there is a simple reason why Apple switched to Intel.... because they had no other choice. Steve Jobs is about the most stubborn CEO who ever lived.... its a trait that got him fired from Apple years ago, and is more-or-less responsible for making the PC the dominant platform worldwide.

He would never join forces with Intel unless he was absolutely given no other way out.

IBM simply could not supply Apple with chips for the future, and they've been standing still for years now waiting on them.

So, I feel less confident about any kind of significant improvement on the G4 PowerBook platform.

But that's just me..... I could be wrong.

Considering Motorola put out the G4 chip, I wouldn't worry too much about IBM. I don't think you can blame Steve Jobs for the chip problems, and as far as being dead set against using x86 or Intel, well Steve Jobs and the Intel CEO have been friends forever, and personally I always thought it was more a matter of Intel not wanting to rock the boat with Microsoft.
Also Apple had a HUGE transition to a new OS that isn't at all backwards compatible. It was even asked a few years ago about moving to x86 since OSX makes it easier than OS9, the response was "it's a possibility, but we need to get everyone on OSX first." that doesn't sound stubborn at all to me.

AFA Steve Jobs being responsible for Microsoft's dominance etc. well Bill Gates has the honor of making the best contract ever in history when he bent IBM over and signed an agreement to license the OS, I don't think he's a great programmer or the smartest guy ever etc., but he's a shrewd businessman. Apple, Atari, Amiga..... none of them stood a chance against IBM in the business world.
DOS rode IBM's reputation to dominance, and Microsoft took over through shear luck. What corporation today would sign such a crappy contract with a little tech outfit?
Steve Jobs might be pig headed etc. but I'm tying to think of a business he started that didn't make him money? Remember Apple bought Next and him when he came back.

kick_kick_snare wrote:

AdamJay wrote: Personally, i find myself being able to get work just fine only using Live 5 + Operator, Hydratone from www.tritonedigital.com , FinalPlug from www.wavearts.com , PSP MixPack from www.pspaudioware.com , and Automat (FREE) from www.alphakanal.de
All the plug-ins i mentioned are $149 plug-ins.

Hi AdamJay,

I'm quite interested in a new EQ, I've got iZotope Ozone for my mastering at the moment, but I'm not always happy with the EQ... How does Hydratone compare to the PSP MaterQ? I'm thinking of investing in one or the other...

Hydratone is quite versatile, and it really does not sound like much else on the market. Simply because there are so many possibilities with how you can approach using it as an EQ.
you have 5 bands, and the ability to use a different convolution sample on each band. that means you can make your lows mimmick the color of an API, your highs mimmick an Avalon, and your mids mimmick a Focusrite. and so on. plus you can use the color over the entire EQ, and fine tune it with the "fire" knob.

So for me i like it because it really isn't like any other EQ. I will say its not great for surgical work. However, alot of times when i thought surgical EQ work was needed, Hydratone came through and made a particular sound more full and warm which in the end brought it out in the mix more than surgical EQ ever could have.

I think alot of EQ plugs actually sound alot alike.
The Sonalksis stuff reminds me of PSP MasterQ, and the WaveArts and Elemental Audio System parametric eq's remind me of Ableton's EQ4.

but Hydratone is best of you want character rather than precision.
I'll use it on sounds that are the most critical to the mix. Usually a kick drum, clap or snare, main synth line, and bassline. And i'll use one on the Mains channel just to add more edge from the "Fire" knob.

Finally, Hydratone is the only EQ that reminds me of hardware. And thats not because it uses hardware sampled impulse responses. But if you have ever practiced "gain-staging" on a hardware mixer and tempering different input levels with different output levels to get unique frequency responses from hardware preamps and EQs, Hydratone (and the forthcoming "ColorTone" free plug-in) is capable of this.

Just using 1 Hydratone in your song on the master channel can do wonders for "taking the computer out of the mix"

check out the demo at www.tritonedigital.com
also, the next version (which is in beta now, and will be a free update) will feature EQ4 style "frequency display grabbing", so you'll be able to make EQ changes more with the frequency display than with the knobs. Since that beta started, i use Hydratone more than ever.

and there is an SSE optimized version for Windows coming soon, which uses nearly half the CPU as the current version.