{OT} Bird Flu..Will this be the next big killer?

[Q&A]

everyone keeps saying this - pandemic every 60-100 years - but you have to look at it in context, 60 years ago was 1945 - how much has medical science and hygene etc advanced in that time - even the huge ultrafast global communications networks that keeps us all informed etc etc

The population density variable comes to mind too. Im assuming that the planet's
cities are more dense, with people, than in 1945. Estimating the comparitive danger with these variables alone is beyond my attention span. it is a thought though, maybe someone else would like to make a diagram.....jk...but not really.

we actually cant use statistics like "every 60 years" etc because we have NEVER had 60 years of our level of advancement. 60 years ago the world was unrecognisably different to what it is now.

there you go. I think this ties in with my above question.

Ive never had an injection of anything in my whole life.(oops... thats a lie, mouth anestethic at dentist) My parents had disagreements with the practice as a standard system. There is plenty of research that shows vaccination's flaws, or I should say over/missuse for profit. But i'm not opposed to the concept of vaccination by any means. If we get a serious plauge, where I live, soon I would very likely get a shot.

I sure hope that viruses are not being deliberatly placed by any greedy, malicious, or just plain stupid people. I can't prove anything, but there are people on this planet who...I wouldn't put that past.

Im kinda fascinated by little creatures that do us harm. I wish all diseases were nice to us like a weak stomach flu and cough. Sit at home, take drugs and watch tv in your pajammas.....

[Winterpark]

i reckon the whole 'pandemic' thing is a bit of media hype.

ok, so people can catch this from live diseased birds.... but as it stands now, it can't be transfered from bird to human then from that human to another human.

my understanding is for that to happen, the person who gets 'bird flu' from a bird, also has to have another flu virus at the same time, and then for those two viruses to mutate inside that person into a form that can be transfered between humans, and then for that person to transfer this "new improved" super bird flu to someone else... and then for them to go untreated, and infect a whole bunch of other people.

now... i'm no doctor, but i reckon the likelyhood of that happening is pretty freakin marginal yes?

[FaX-01]

We get a global pandemic once every 60-100 years.

I personally think AIDS is the biggest epidemic we have had, but a pandemic has the ability to affect anyone and everyone.

AIDS is PANDEMIC - I would hardly classify it as epidemic.
We may hve a recorded number of HIV+ individuals in the 67 million bracket currently.
God only knows how many individuals are + and haven't been tested or don't wish to be tested for HIV.
That does not take into account the 100 million odd who have already died from HIV/AIDS releated illnesses and diseases in the last 20 years .
That said both diabetes and obesity are bordering on epidemic proportions in post industrial nations also.
I don't see the need for panic yet (touch wood).
However a major outbreak is a probability.
How highly probable is debatable however.

[terryhamel]

Say no to vaccinations.
http://www.vaclib.org/

Buy or build a zapper.
http://www.worldwithoutparasites.com

Ingest distilled food grade H202 (it kills bacteria, viruses, parasites, etc).
http://educate-yourself.org/fc/

Yes, I've used them both. They work. Get well.

[MrYellow]

SARS was going to be the huge pandemic and it fizzled out quite quickly really.

SARS was never a threat....

They just hyped it to test everyone and see what the response was like.

-Ben

[shlomo]

a) h5n1 don't need human to mutate into human dangerous virus.
b) Tamiflu won't help you if the virus mutate.
c) as much as one don't beleive in statistics they ARE relevant factor and can't be
ignored
d) some population is ALREADY resistant to potential mutation threat
e) don't trust media, they need the cover story
f) don't trust politicians, YOU mean nothing to them

As i wrote on the forum that was made during this birdflu panic here in Croatia:
"When i see who might survive the pandemia (government,richbutstillgreedies, etc) i'll better kiss the swan's butt rightnow!"

[sweetjesus]

d) some population is ALREADY resistant to potential mutation threat




f) don't trust politicians, YOU mean nothing to them

D) Interesting point, reminded me that a few days ago they found that people who were direct descendants of survivors of the bubonic plague (both mother and father side), are resistant of HIV and the AIDS virus stops in it's tracks with them.

F) True, unless you do a good job of making them see you as a vote.

[spiderprod]

I am hearing reports from people that this Bird Flu is mutating and could be as deadly as the plague in the 40's. What do you think? Kinda scary, but it is about due as history always repeats itself with stuff like this..I also wonder though if media just like to scare the crap out of us to buy and tune in more.

this morning i read in the sun that there is around 30000 peoples dying in hospitals because of mistakes & they don't count peoples dying from mrsa .

dude ,human error is the biggest killer at the moment in uk ,if bird flu mute to attack humans ,we will probably die because they would give us the wrong vaccin or drugs .

[shlomo]

nice setup spiderprod...
how's Tarzan?

[computo]

chew on this.

Birds, chickens precisely, are one of the LAST animals that citizens can actually house, and eat from, without the aid of large scale food processing. While some of us COULD raise a cow and slaughter it, eggs, and chicken meat are fairly easily sustainable on a home-by-home basis.

So, does anyone else find it convenient, that all the birds in entire regions are being killed?

Sort of forces the non-mainstream consumers into the marketplace doesnt it?

forces them to buy "good" meat. It forces them to buy, period.

Food for thought.

[mikemc]

forces them to buy "good" meat. It forces them to buy, period.

Food for thought.

"Hmm, what'll it be, mad cow or bird flu?"

I'd agree that all the hype of 'globally/regionally disruptive events" has the net effect of coaxing one to yearn for an all knowing powerful and protective governmental system. It also might be something to get investors to react semi-predictably.

To de-fuse that effect, one can note that the previous globally/regionally disruptive events were/are not particularly well handled by the various all knowing an powerful governmental systems, along with counting HIV cases and hospital errors, world poverty and overpopulation, count erratically orbiting near earth objects and earthquakes/volcanic eruptions that are overdue, or yeh, go listen to/create some music.

[forge]

I am hearing reports from people that this Bird Flu is mutating and could be as deadly as the plague in the 40's. What do you think? Kinda scary, but it is about due as history always repeats itself with stuff like this..I also wonder though if media just like to scare the crap out of us to buy and tune in more.

this morning i read in the sun that there is around 30000 peoples dying in hospitals because of mistakes & they don't count peoples dying from mrsa .

dude ,human error is the biggest killer at the moment in uk ,if bird flu mute to attack humans ,we will probably die because they would give us the wrong vaccin or drugs .

spiderprod! come on now you cant quote the Sun unless you are making a joke. Quoting the Sun is like quoting Viz.

I remember reading *a discarded copy on the train* at the time of France objecting to GWBs lunatic plans of invasion. The Sun's argument was "shut up France, without america you'd all be speaking german".

[dazzer]

forge wrote

I remember reading *a discarded copy on the train* at the time of France objecting to GWBs lunatic plans of invasion. The Sun's argument was "shut up France, without america you'd all be speaking german".

Man, I've seen that very same argument used on this forum to justify the US invasion of iraq

[forge]

forge wrote

I remember reading *a discarded copy on the train* at the time of France objecting to GWBs lunatic plans of invasion. The Sun's argument was "shut up France, without america you'd all be speaking german".

Man, I've seen that very same argument used on this forum to justify the US invasion of iraq

bizarre isn't it. But really that's your cue to stop the argument with that person then and there.