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Machinate wrote:sure.. Reason LOOKS good. What does that have to do with it?

It's the criterion by which I choose the software I purchase

check that recent "reason sucks" thread for a few opinions - despite the flame war there's a good list of pros and cons

I actually went through last night and loaded up 2.5 to look over a few old tracks and it has it's benefits, but I did find it quite fiddly - all that cabling gets on my nerves and you definitely have to work harder to get decent sounds

you asked about it in comparison with VSTs etc and personally I think you can do alot more with VSTis, as mentioned it's light on CPU, but I find Live + plug-ins far more useful

also, If you're thinking of getting something like that I would have a serious look at FLStudio, it can do ALOT more, is cheaper and you get free upgrades for life - its an awesome package that gets underrated IMO.

Does it not bother those of you who are using Reason that its not in sync with Live?

I need to have PDC off to get Reason to run well enough in Live. And while this is OK for Live sets without too many VST plugins, it does sort of play havoc with complicated sets with lots of Reason stuff and a large amount of VSTi.

I'm rather attached to Reason, but I need to add audio to my work to finish it off. I am finding that Reason will probably be relegated to creating wavs that I can then import into Live. Shame.

The Abe's are going to look into the rewire-latency problem and the fact that negative track delays don't work properly for rewire. So for now, I'll just have to wait.

So if you haven't bought Reason yet and would like to use it with Live. I'd hang on for now.

Synthbuilder & forge,
thanks for our insights.

Reason 3 is simply great! It covers so many bases in terms of instruments and effects, and compared to forking out for comparable VSTs it is fantastic value for money.

With the latest update the sound quality is really superb too, which it wasn't before. In the past that put some people off, but it's time to get with the plot and recognise that version 3 is a job really well done

headquest wrote:Reason 3 is simply great!

Yes, but it doesn't work properly with Live.

And you know, from KVR, I said I would blame you if I didn't like live

Well, I do like Live. So much so that it is forcing me away from Reason.

Right now, with PDC on, Reason's playback is all over the place when controlled by Live's midiclips. With PDC off, its still out of sync, but only by a few mS or so. However, you then have to live with no PDC.

Synthbuilder wrote:Does it not bother those of you who are using Reason that its not in sync with Live?

I need to have PDC off to get Reason to run well enough in Live. And while this is OK for Live sets without too many VST plugins, it does sort of play havoc with complicated sets with lots of Reason stuff and a large amount of VSTi.

I'm rather attached to Reason, but I need to add audio to my work to finish it off. I am finding that Reason will probably be relegated to creating wavs that I can then import into Live. Shame.

The Abe's are going to look into the rewire-latency problem and the fact that negative track delays don't work properly for rewire. So for now, I'll just have to wait.

So if you haven't bought Reason yet and would like to use it with Live. I'd hang on for now.

Weird, I dont have any sync problems ever. Use reason often, Live and reason work better then any other rewire combination I ever used. You should investigate what the problem might be.

To the person asking for advice dont bother about opinion of imbecil amateurs who have no clue and nothing better to do then write shit on internet.
Real musicians use whatever do the job and Reason does it better then most of VST that are CPU hungry. The point is you have to know how to use it and a little bit of studies is required. As reference to what Reason can do look for Marco Raaphorst and James Bernard stuff available on internet. Anyone who says they are not professional, or theair work using Reason is a deaf idiot.

Synthbuilder wrote:And you know, from KVR, I said I would blame you if I didn't like live

Well, I do like Live.

Phew

So much so that it is forcing me away from Reason.

Uh-oh...

Right now, with PDC on, Reason's playback is all over the place when controlled by Live's midiclips. With PDC off, its still out of sync, but only by a few mS or so. However, you then have to live with no PDC.

Must admit I only became aware of that from reading threads here (okay, plus a tip off from a friend!).

I think that the reason I haven't had any problems with this (so far) is that I tend to only switch Live's PDC on when I strictly need to - i.e. if using a latency inducing plug in. The only plug in I tend to use that fits that bill is the Cakewalk Perfect Space convolution reverb, which I tend to add towards the end of the mixing stage.

When using Reason as your instrument within Live, surely you don't need PDC enabled? I never did in the past and I don't now... (it uses up system resources unnecessarily) ... but I can see this would be a problem if using latency inducing synths or effects at the same time as Reason rewired in.

My guess is that Ableton will quickly sort out this one though, as a few people have reported problems, and the Ableton/Reason combination has long been a popular one

rikhyray wrote:
To the person asking for advice dont bother about opinion of imbecil amateurs who have no clue and nothing better to do then write shit on internet.
Real musicians use whatever do the job and Reason does it better then most of VST that are CPU hungry. The point is you have to know how to use it and a little bit of studies is required. As reference to what Reason can do look for Marco Raaphorst and James Bernard stuff available on internet. Anyone who says they are not professional, or theair work using Reason is a deaf idiot.

You may be right.... also Kowalski has done an entire album with Reason presets called Reasons...

rikhyray wrote:

Synthbuilder wrote:Does it not bother those of you who are using Reason that its not in sync with Live?

I need to have PDC off to get Reason to run well enough in Live. And while this is OK for Live sets without too many VST plugins, it does sort of play havoc with complicated sets with lots of Reason stuff and a large amount of VSTi.

I'm rather attached to Reason, but I need to add audio to my work to finish it off. I am finding that Reason will probably be relegated to creating wavs that I can then import into Live. Shame.

The Abe's are going to look into the rewire-latency problem and the fact that negative track delays don't work properly for rewire. So for now, I'll just have to wait.

So if you haven't bought Reason yet and would like to use it with Live. I'd hang on for now.

Weird, I dont have any sync problems ever. Use reason often, Live and reason work better then any other rewire combination I ever used. You should investigate what the problem might be.

To the person asking for advice dont bother about opinion of imbecil amateurs who have no clue and nothing better to do then write shit on internet.
Real musicians use whatever do the job and Reason does it better then most of VST that are CPU hungry. The point is you have to know how to use it and a little bit of studies is required. As reference to what Reason can do look for Marco Raaphorst and James Bernard stuff available on internet. Anyone who says they are not professional, or theair work using Reason is a deaf idiot.

You really are a nasty piece of work sometimes Rhkray.

so what are you saying, anyone who answers the original poster's question (which could be anyone browsing the Ableton forum) are " imbecil amateurs who have no clue and nothing better to do then write shit on internet."?

or are you actually referring to someone in particular??

or are you saying that anyone who disagrees with YOU and doesnt like using Reason for whatever reason they are one of those imbecile thingamy jiggies, or a deaf idiot?

really no need to get like that, we're talking about a piece of music software.

rikhyray wrote: Weird, I dont have any sync problems ever. Use reason often, Live and reason work better then any other rewire combination I ever used. You should investigate what the problem might be.

I am suprised. It didn't take me long to find it. But then it may be down to the other VSTi being used with Reason. Anyway, it has been confirmed by the Abes as a problem when using PDC. Its less of a problem without PDC and I am happy to Live with PDC disabled for now.

All this could actually be simply worked around if Live's track delay settings were active when PDC is disabled. But you can't have track delays without PDC.

rikhyray wrote: To the person asking for advice dont bother about opinion of imbecil amateurs who have no clue and nothing better to do then write shit on internet.

I hope you didn't take my comments as such. I think Reason is a superb program. Its mostly the lack of real time audio input that forces me to use other things.

forge wrote:

rikhyray wrote:

Synthbuilder wrote:Does it not bother those of you who are using Reason that its not in sync with Live?

I need to have PDC off to get Reason to run well enough in Live. And while this is OK for Live sets without too many VST plugins, it does sort of play havoc with complicated sets with lots of Reason stuff and a large amount of VSTi.

I'm rather attached to Reason, but I need to add audio to my work to finish it off. I am finding that Reason will probably be relegated to creating wavs that I can then import into Live. Shame.

The Abe's are going to look into the rewire-latency problem and the fact that negative track delays don't work properly for rewire. So for now, I'll just have to wait.

So if you haven't bought Reason yet and would like to use it with Live. I'd hang on for now.

Weird, I dont have any sync problems ever. Use reason often, Live and reason work better then any other rewire combination I ever used. You should investigate what the problem might be.

To the person asking for advice dont bother about opinion of imbecil amateurs who have no clue and nothing better to do then write shit on internet.
Real musicians use whatever do the job and Reason does it better then most of VST that are CPU hungry. The point is you have to know how to use it and a little bit of studies is required. As reference to what Reason can do look for Marco Raaphorst and James Bernard stuff available on internet. Anyone who says they are not professional, or theair work using Reason is a deaf idiot.

You really are a nasty piece of work sometimes Rhkray.

so what are you saying, anyone who answers the original poster's question (which could be anyone browsing the Ableton forum) are " imbecil amateurs who have no clue and nothing better to do then write shit on internet."?

or are you actually referring to someone in particular??

or are you saying that anyone who disagrees with YOU and doesnt like using Reason for whatever reason they are one of those imbecile thingamy jiggies, or a deaf idiot?

really no need to get like that, we're talking about a piece of music software.

No Forge I am not getting personal at you or any normal person just imbecils who have nothing else then writting stupid shit for no sensible purpose.

You like sany oftware great you dont like it, then you dont use it.
This forum is a source of information for many people including myself.
Writings of hysterical teenagers starting stupid threads may be confusing. The infamous Reason thread is an example. Reason 3 is professional software widely used industry standard. My using it or not is irrelevant, I am not emotional about objects, less a virrtual objects like software.

Any serious person looking for advice should get chance to get it here.
Unfortunatelly the imbecil fraction get overrepresented at times.

I definitely dont have time involving is sensless discussion so dont play me Forge, do misinterrpret. I never wrote everyone has to be of my opinion , all I am saying real musicians dont have time for such stupid shit. You like something you use it, you dont you forget about it. I dont like Operator, dont buy, use it, no time, neither anybody`s need to write/read esseys why/how bad it is.
Tha`s it I am not going to waste time anymore.

Synthbuilder wrote:

rikhyray wrote: Weird, I dont have any sync problems ever. Use reason often, Live and reason work better then any other rewire combination I ever used. You should investigate what the problem might be.

I am suprised. It didn't take me long to find it. But then it may be down to the other VSTi being used with Reason. Anyway, it has been confirmed by the Abes as a problem when using PDC. Its less of a problem without PDC and I am happy to Live with PDC disabled for now.

All this could actually be simply worked around if Live's track delay settings were active when PDC is disabled. But you can't have track delays without PDC.

rikhyray wrote: To the person asking for advice dont bother about opinion of imbecil amateurs who have no clue and nothing better to do then write shit on internet.

I hope you didn't take my comments as such. I think Reason is a superb program. Its mostly the lack of real time audio input that forces me to use other things.

OK now it is clear, I dont use PDC

FORMAT wrote:.... and how do you rate it compared with similar solutions (VST/AU plug-ins that do similar things, such as synths and samplers/drum instruments)? Is there an advantage to using Reason?

pros:
soft on cpu
malmström
I have my library in the reason sampler, since I bought it when live could not do any midi sequencing

cons:
the need to start two programs, "cable" the reason units and save two files

nosuch wrote:

FORMAT wrote:.... and how do you rate it compared with similar solutions (VST/AU plug-ins that do similar things, such as synths and samplers/drum instruments)? Is there an advantage to using Reason?

pros:
soft on cpu
malmström
I have my library in the reason sampler, since I bought it when live could not do any midi sequencing

cons:
the need to start two programs, "cable" the reason units and save two files

Good points.... anyway, I'll be getting REason and, probably, the Drum Kits, next week.... so I'll get my own impression. I wonder if the Orkester is really usable... would love to to some layouts for movie scores.
Has anyone A/B'ed it to sample libraries?

Best&nicestest Xmas,
R.