Ableton Forum

first of all....machinate - this is not a post for fanboys to retort with rhetoric and plays on semantics. these are real problems , on going , and i as have others have posted and emailed OUR GOD DAMN FUCKING SPECS enough times for the people receiving the cash money to try - and attempt - and decipher - whats going on. the whole UnEvEn LoOps thing was at first - aaaaaNOYING , now i cant even play simple sample-based clips without -HIDEOUS- pops and clicks. why did i spend 400 euro+ on this ? my housemates 4.14 was so much better than this. so much. so much.

and i base my conclusions on the CONSISTENT posts , both from fanboys claiming theirs is perfect (always a reply to someone saying theirs doesnt work right - failing that a premature THANKS SO MUCH message - hugs and kisses RH) and the amount of poor assholes , myself included , asking what the hell is going on (only to have to engage in verbatim discussions with people running [seemigly] similar setups to the fuck-0s compiling the program)

as far as im concerned , more people have problems then those without.
why?

firstly , we dont all use it the same. alot of us do one thing and one thing only , yet LIVE is sold-as a programme that does it all.



at first it was midi.....

now i cant even run a basic BASIC BASIC BAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC DJ set without having rotten , disgusting playback.


and this is supposed to be a bugfix ?

die in a ditch and give me my money back and i wont buy live 6 , untill its at least 6.1.5

and fucking damn the abletons to hell for selling live 5 at its current state. its not an acceptable version for most people. which wouldnt be a problem if they had half a clue what was going on , instead we have to some how come to a conclusion and email it to them. again

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would like to add one thing here:

theres a chance that we are going to find out that m-audio hardware and / or drivers are a commonality in the glitching / slow arrange / white screen of death type issues

never mind that my simple little m-audio 24/96 PCI card is rock solid with all of my other audio - its possible

in which case we are definitely not going to get an official public recognition of this because its not a secret that m-audio are one (only? dunno) of abletons main distributors

so - something to keep in mind, we might have to determine that on our own
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when i load the same sets with these issues on my Mac with 5.0.3
i DO NOT encounter the problems.

gomi wrote:

leandro wrote:same here... this problem is still happening to me in 5.03 .. cpu spikes, audio dropouts... but now, its not only when i launch a new clip.. it also happens randomly...
energy settings aer in higher performance... i tryed with my m-audio fw 410... and also with the built in audio from my PB... its all the same...
i tryed taking a memorie slot out... and the problem is worse...
any chance that this can be fixed in 5.04 ?

i don't experience these at all on my powerbook.
unless i put in too many softsynths.

also your firewire 410 is going to be using anywhere from 10-20% of your CPU
(that live will not report as usage) depending on your sample rate and track count.

firewire sucks.

here is live playing 1 loop on my mac mini and my edirol fa-66

kernel_task 19.9%

i dont use any softdynths... i bought live just to play live... i dont use it to prodcue.. and right now i dont have anything else installed on my powerbook.. just ableton live...
and as i said before.. this happens with or without my m-audio FW.

i wish people would seperate "ableton are really awesome guys, basically really down to earth and cool, invented this great software / tool that we really appreciate being able to have" from

"people that sold us something that is not working, and we need it to be fixed"

i second that. abes are very fine people.. and theyve been always nice replying my mails... but the problem is still there... and i lost tons of time working on my liveset, just to not be able to use it cause this soft just doesnt work.


just to add another problem... it takes much much longer for me to open a project with live 5.03

I'm having the CPU spike problem as well. I have a set with 10 tracks, 5 of those are MIDI and all are "frozen" except the 11th audio track that I'm trying to record and no apps running in the background. I only have inputs 3 and 4 mono enabled. I get the spikes and noises while recording as well as playback. seems like a real CPU hog to me. I don't know Jack Shit about code and all i want is this to fucking work properly. I just want to get some work done without a bunch of bullshit. I'm a musician, not a fucking programmer. I guess it's back to Pro Tools for now, no fuck this. I'm going to spring for a G5, a firewire card for my Rosetta 200, and Logic Pro 7.

If everyone is so serious about there music... according to most people’s tags I see well over $1,000 in additional VST's, software, and hardware regularly. And this is such a problem... why not get a more powerful computer?

You can say that isn't the answer... but for me it is. If I was as frustrated and these problems were hindering my creativity the way it does for others I would take my money... and purchase a powerful CPU and get back to work.

In fact I did... no problems with my dual Xeon 3.0 GHZ with 10K Hard drives.

You can't expect the performance of a Jaguar when you drive a Honda.

C.S. wrote:If everyone is so serious about there music... according to most people’s tags I see well over $1,000 in additional VST's, software, and hardware regularly. And this is such a problem... why not get a more powerful computer?

You can say that isn't the answer... but for me it is. If I was as frustrated and these problems were hindering my creativity the way it does for others I would take my money... and purchase a powerful CPU and get back to work.

In fact I did... no problems with my dual Xeon 3.0 GHZ with 10K Hard drives.

You can't expect the performance of a Jaguar when you drive a Honda.

dont want to sound offensive, but i dont think u know much about computers & soft...

1- i bought live to play live... so i bought a Powerbook 1.5 with 1.5 GB RAM... do u really think that im getting this cpu spikes cause i need a better laptop ?
2- i have 2 friends using live. 1 with a 1.5 PowerBook w/1 GB RAM (and same problems that me), and the otherone with a 1.3 Ibook w/0.5 GB RAM (without this problems)... so i guess that your point is just wrong.

I did say i was going to buy a more powerful computer.......but i shouldn't have to being that I fall well within the Abelton specs for proper functionality. That is OS X .2.8 and a G3 or faster. I guess Abelton should have told me to buy a Jag and shitcan the Honda. I guess you were taking a piss at Macs with the Jaguar comment . i don't want to start that bullshit up again. I think Abelton will fix this, they just need to step up their game abit. With the exception of this, I haven't had any other major issues and i really want to continue to use their product as long as it works properly.

oddtones001 wrote:.... i don't want to start that bullshit up again. I think Abelton will fix this, they just need to step up their game abit. With the exception of this, I haven't had any other major issues and i really want to continue to use their product as long as it works properly.

i agree. and i"m more than willing to step back down to 4.0.1 temporarily if need be. it will allow me to work the way i need to work especially now with my new AMD laptop

I would love to step back down to some version 4.x. and get some music done instead of constantly hoping for a serious Live update that will fix the cpu-spiking problems et al.

My problem is I bought Live 5 and am stuck with it until they fix the bugs they put in there since version 4. I'm still so amazed at how they could take Live 4 (which worked a lot better acording to so many statements in here) and fuck it so much up! It's simply sad.

Abletons, you should seriously put performance / CPU problems at the top of your bug-fix list cause it's killing your good reputation. Otherwise people will go elsewhere. Myself included and I will not recommend this product to anyone 'cause it will be a sad waste of time for them.

oddtones001 wrote:I'm having the CPU spike problem as well. I have a set with 10 tracks, 5 of those are MIDI and all are "frozen" except the 11th audio track that I'm trying to record and no apps running in the background. I only have inputs 3 and 4 mono enabled. I get the spikes and noises while recording as well as playback. seems like a real CPU hog to me. I don't know Jack Shit about code and all i want is this to fucking work properly. I just want to get some work done without a bunch of bullshit. I'm a musician, not a fucking programmer. I guess it's back to Pro Tools for now, no fuck this. I'm going to spring for a G5, a firewire card for my Rosetta 200, and Logic Pro 7.

hALLelujha..........i should have bought a laptop with the money i spent on live 5 (without operater) and saved for sonar 5 , and pro tools plus a rosetta.


i have absolutely lost faith in ableton. 5.03 and still bullshit.

C.S. wrote:If everyone is so serious about there music... according to most people’s tags I see well over $1,000 in additional VST's, software, and hardware regularly. And this is such a problem... why not get a more powerful computer?

You can say that isn't the answer... but for me it is. If I was as frustrated and these problems were hindering my creativity the way it does for others I would take my money... and purchase a powerful CPU and get back to work.

In fact I did... no problems with my dual Xeon 3.0 GHZ with 10K Hard drives.

You can't expect the performance of a Jaguar when you drive a Honda.

its got nothing to do with the cpu load , you handicap. as if the amount of vst available to someone represents how much they actually use as they experience this problem. if you read the original god damn post , you'd realise the problems are being experienced no matter how low the cpu. on m-audio cards. one of the most common external audio cards out there , and might i add , a company who promotes ableton live by including lite versions of it with 99% of their soundcard products.

How much do you have quick, concentrated areas of automation in your arrangement?

I was having a few bad random(!) terrible CPU spikes in 5-5.0.2 that happened at relatively sparse low CPU parts of the arrangement. When I load the same set in 5.0.3, I'm not seeing them.

I've always had CPU go up (a lot) where there's dense areas of plugin automation...but that seems pretty normal behavior to me.

Hi again - an update...

Just tried out the 5.03 version although there wasn't any changes made to it since the last beta and guess what! Live went straight to its knees when I loaded my latest song. I could play the beginning but also noticed that Live would cracle/bzzzzz! each time it went into a new section - not a good sign. And yes as it arrived at the main-theme of the song it just stalled - bzzzzzzz, ca-ca-ca-ca-ca-ca-ca 100+ % playing everything reeeeeaaaaallll slow. I managed to move my mouse to the stop button and finally made it stop. MY GOD!

Just to try something I went through drivers (also graphics this time) and tried different prefs settings with no result. I do not have time for this!
I left my computer for a while with Live and my song still on. When I came back an hour later I could play the song without a problem - ONCE!. Then as I started it again Live froze on me the same way as before locking the system with a cpu usage of 100+.

I don't know what to do! Somehow I feel there is nothing I can do - that it's simply out of my hands. Each time I find something that is working a little its really not in the long run. Very frustrating!

My system:

- Intel P4 3.2 Ghz, 512 ram 60 gig hd.
- Ati radeon 9600 with latest drivers
- Windows XP pro and up-do-date.
- Tascam us-122 with latest drivers / Used it flawlessly before with Emagic Logic 5.
- Tweaked with www.musicxp.net
- Otherwise fresh install of everything

If the problems with these CPU spikes and bad performance in general is not looked at in the very near future I'm afraid I will simply have to put my EUR 499.00 Live 5 package away for good! Right now it's worthless to me.

People are tired and they want this looked at in one way or another. Otherwise you can just keep your buggy software to yourself and the 20% users who seem to have no problems. In time the rest of us will have to look elsewhere for a solution that works.

supster wrote: so the quesiton is are there enough people willing to participate in helping track this stuff down?
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isnt that what beta testing is ?
the abletons want our money first , and then we test it. *spit*