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I was really thinking of getting the LV1. The LV2 looks really bad (the LV1 looked the business). It's lost two faders and the cross fader.

The LV1 had everything i needed in a controller. (i don't ask much!)

What was wrong with the LV1?

My question 2, but was sort of answered a few post back...

Evidently, some want just three faders at a time, and the lack of cross-fader ust baffles me, though they say, you can daisy chain them together...

Oh well,
what seemed like a complete answer with one thing, now you have to buy two...

Guess that is just the commercial world.

Take one thing from another so you have to buy both..

I really think the simplified designs are nice. I have fat little hobbit hands and I couldn't imagine trying to navigate those older, crowded surfaces in a dark club.

I bet they are easier to see in dark environments as well.

NICE.

hi guys,
it seems to be the time to compare 1st and 2nd generation
and it seems to me that you see reductions of the devices at the first look
but pay attention to the new ergonomics and functionality like:

- LED on each button (you see what you get, sometimes you can forget the screen)
- more space between faders and buttons (good for some bigger fingers
- better orientation by reducing to six tracks (actually you have 12 track by using the group function)
- encoders (endless pots) for 'jump free controlling'
- two programmable button rows with the capability to control two things simultaneously (e.g. slot launch and fx control)
- main function for fast access to the important things like trackselect, slot/scene scroll, launch, mastervol etc.
- silver frontplate and low light shining of all LED’s for better orientation in dark club atmosphere
- longer stick knob

I think these are the really improvements of the 2nd line
and it's the next step to come nearer to a user friendly controller.
btw. all points are user suggestions

of course we have lost some faders especially the crossfader but the space on such compact device is not endless...
and there are other special controllers with crossfader (DJ2)

don't try to calculate the price per fader, mind the improvements!

my philosophy: simple is the best
I believe it's the same like ableton LIVE.

thanks for the discussion

cheers
mathias

I think they have a real classy look mathias. can't wait to get one

Mathias,
Will the DJ2 and the DX2 ship with templates for Live?

John Sweet wrote:Mathias,
Will the DJ2 and the DX2 ship with templates for Live?

I have a set for LV2/LX2 + DJ2/DX2 (similar to old LV1/LX1/DJ1 set) but
most of DX2 controls like encoders are free assignable

Do they work internally like the old Faderfoxes? Ie, sends different note ons to change tracks, remaps CCs depending on which track is selected etc?

I assuming the do? Ideally one would like to use Mackie Control emulation now. That way you could use the controller without any template at all. Might not work with track-local CCs though.

Michael-SW wrote:Do they work internally like the old Faderfoxes? Ie, sends different note ons to change tracks, remaps CCs depending on which track is selected etc?

I assuming the do? Ideally one would like to use Mackie Control emulation now. That way you could use the controller without any template at all. Might not work with track-local CCs though.

currently the new devices work like the old line and they are compatible relating cc/note numbers. I guess ableton will build a micromodul driver like the mackie thing in the near future.

I am sorry to see the lack of 2 faders + xfade

To be honest all I wanted was encoders and another row of buttons with led's.

BUT I can see the advantages of less .. plus, what I am now using the LX1 for kinda means I wont need it with the LV2 (mainly starting/stopping individual clips in a row) ... also, I use 2 LV1 currently - and my set is spread quite fairly thinly across the 16 tracks. 12 tracks would be a *slight* squeeze but dont think it would be a problem. But for the xfader I would need the DJ2 aswell... better check my bank balance

Hi,

All improvements look good -

Exept losing the crossfader on the LV1

I'm finding that when I am DJ'ing using the units I can stuggle for space
in a DJ booth (or any set up). I played a gig on Saturday where the decks and mixer were set up in the steel carry case (which is fairly normal for pubs and small clubs) with no additional space. Luckily there was a small table that I could use. To have the crossfader I would have to use three units instead of the two (LV1 and LX1), which makes the space issue worse.

why the sadness about losing a cross fader?? i dont think i have ever used the cross fader on my mixer ever!!

nicka wrote:why the sadness about losing a cross fader?? i dont think i have ever used the cross fader on my mixer ever!!

Depends on your style doesn't it? Personally i like to use crossfaders but I'm sure if i had an LV2 then i'd map a vertical fader to be a crossfader if needed (like i do on my uc33)

I love my LV1 though and if I hadn't bought one by now I'd definitely want an LV2 as some of the new features are really neat.

nicka wrote:why the sadness about losing a cross fader?? i dont think i have ever used the cross fader on my mixer ever!!

i have the crosfader assigned to the master tempo, which I found very usefull

So I guess now when you select a channel in the red row of the LX2, the appropriate lights in the blue row come on to show its status?

"you see what you get, sometimes you can forget the screen"