Essential mixing with Ableton Live. How it all started....

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 6:57 am

ive tried the kind of choppy lots of little loops mixing style and to be honest i dont really feel it (even when i hear it).

i grew up listening to some really smooth mixing from djs like sasha, oakenfold, nick warren etc with really long well thought out mixes and great grooves with multiple tracks combined and a more progressive style of mixing.

i find this works best in clubs. the choppy thing is awesome for listening at home or in ur ipod, but people in a club have a yearning to get their groove on! .. thats what i find anyways.

Green Lemon · Post by **Green Lemon** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:40 am

I think its very much a cultural and technological thing.

The cut mixing style comes from a time when records were not produced expressly to be mixed by a DJ. DJs originally abused the breaks as a sort of sonic collage/found object, and this formed the background to early club mixing techniques as well. It was great, because the dancers could go on longer. Obviously, this was quite an invention of technique as well as dexterity in continuosly juggling two platters to keep a (rather short) break extended.

The long, smooth EDM stuff has a different geneaology, one that developed a few years later as records began to be made in order to be mixed.

I like both styles, I am very impressed by the technical skills of the hip hop side of things. I don't think you can make a case that people don't "get their groove on" to cut mixing as opposed to Sasha and Oakenfeld (of all people!). Really comes down to aesthetic preference, which varies widely by time, place, and individual.

But the invention of mixing, as we know it, certainly came from the cutmix extension of the break.

Moody · Post by **Moody** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 5:18 pm

Good info, thanks!

Ajbbklyn · Post by **Ajbbklyn** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 5:39 pm

The Godfather of all DJs is Sir Jimmy Savile, who was the first disc jockey to use two turntables for radio broadcasts - during the 1940s. And, while it's true that simple segueing is not the same as mixing, we're talking about an era when there was no such thing as mixing during a recording session.

Edit: (from Wikipedia) "Having started playing records in dance halls in the early 40s, Savile was effectively the first ever DJ; according to his autobiography, the first person to use two turntables and a microphone, which he did at the Grand Records Ball at the Guardbridge Hotel in 1947.[2] Savile is widely acknowledged as being one of the first in England to use twin turntables for continuous play of music, thus pioneering the concept of DJing as we know it today.[3]"

Green Lemon · Post by **Green Lemon** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 6:00 pm

Good to know.

bynoe · Post by **bynoe** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:44 pm

Just dug out my copy of 'say kids' by Coldcut. What a great record. I've got quite a few records from the mid 80's that cut up 'rare grooves' i used to love these. Not sure who did them as alot of them were bootlegs. Happy days

otnooishphoo · Post by **otnooishphoo** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:14 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plunderphonics

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=am ... kzu3e0an1k

sofa · Post by **sofa** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:01 am

Ajbbklyn wrote:The Godfather of all DJs is Sir Jimmy Savile, who was the first disc jockey to use two turntables for radio broadcasts - during the 1940s. And, while it's true that simple segueing is not the same as mixing, we're talking about an era when there was no such thing as mixing during a recording session.

Edit: (from Wikipedia) "Having started playing records in dance halls in the early 40s, Savile was effectively the first ever DJ; according to his autobiography, the first person to use two turntables and a microphone, which he did at the Grand Records Ball at the Guardbridge Hotel in 1947.[2] Savile is widely acknowledged as being one of the first in England to use twin turntables for continuous play of music, thus pioneering the concept of DJing as we know it today.[3]"

Funny I thought of Jimmy when reading this thread, good call.
Met him several times since the 70's when he used to visit my grandma.
Top man who always has loads of time for Joe Public.

jeskola · Post by **jeskola** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:05 am

rolfski wrote:Grandmaster Flash is the godfather of live mixing. In that you're right. But in non-live mixing, Ben Liebrand is one of the main pioneers.

I believe it was Kool Herc.

jeskola · Post by **jeskola** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:07 am

eddit wrote:
rolfski wrote:Let me correct here something. Folks like Ben Liebrand were not the first ones in real mixing, hell no. They did however take non-live mixing to the next level. That's what made them pioneers.

Check out the DVD scratch, it has some priceless footage from a live performance of brainfreeze, Cut chemist and DJ shadow.

That's a great documentary!

tw1nstates · Post by **tw1nstates** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:15 pm

You guys familiar with the work of Keith Haring, a painter who chronicled (in addition to other things) the development of bboy culture out of capoeira, djs, and discos?

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Keith Haring,

Biter of Jelly Babies

2bad · Post by **2bad** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:06 pm

now then now then, what have we here?

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:15 pm

I'm only 37, so I'm way too fucking young for this conversation.

Jonas Brothers RULE!

Tigerbeat FTW, bitches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

aisling · Post by **aisling** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:49 pm

Great informative thread.