Ableton Forum

maxbaun wrote:

Man. I can't tell anyone how much downloading music for free bothers me. Those artists work SOOO hard to get their music produced in a final copy they are proud of. Being a producer is like having any other job, even if you love doing it, it is only fair if you get paid for you hard work. Someone needs to get rid of these STOOOOPID free download sites and crap P2P things like Limewire. I HATE IT.

i am totally with you!!! free music or any other "free" i mean money free art is the complete DEATH, and then after they realise, they cry for sponsorship or the like, because they can't even afford their instruments anymore... unless they have a different job (which lots of artists are unhappy about) or a dady who pays for it, ridiculious!!!

me and my family are dependend on earning money out of my profession.
or i have to live on the dole, and let others pay for something for which they not even get anything in return!!!

any art NEEDS money!!! including music! otherwise it can't be created.

Not worried. Digital delivery is the way of the future. I resisted iTunes for the longest time just because it was SOOOO popular and commercialized. But I've given in and now I love it. Like a song? Get it immediately for 99 cents. Like an album? 9.99. That's not unreasonable and I think more and more people are finding that worth it rather than searching for illegal downloads. AND it's awesome that the middle men are getting shut out. F**k them. The gatekeepers and gravy train riders are going to have to adapt and start thinking about how they can SERVE artists instead of being parasites.

scottorlans wrote:Not worried. Digital delivery is the way of the future. I resisted iTunes for the longest time just because it was SOOOO popular and commercialized. But I've given in and now I love it. Like a song? Get it immediately for 99 cents. Like an album? 9.99. That's not unreasonable and I think more and more people are finding that worth it rather than searching for illegal downloads. AND it's awesome that the middle men are getting shut out. F**k them. The gatekeepers and gravy train riders are going to have to adapt and start thinking about how they can SERVE artists instead of being parasites.

Fuck iTunes, they want to be draconian with their 'drm' crap giving you useless codecs that you can't easily convert to other formats with an album costing the same as a CD on average and the bitrate is so low its absurd.

I agree about that, but it's easily overcome with JHymn at least with iTunes... 4.7.1. Like it or not, that is the future. I think the services they will provide to artists far outweigh any restrictions they place on the files, and keep in mind that those are to PROTECT OUR INTERESTS AS RECORDING MUSICIANS! The only beef I have with them is that they need to make it easier for independent artists to sign up directly.

And... the bitrate and quality of everything I've purchased has been really good, certainly better then 128mbps MP3s...

But... I didn't mean to turn this into an iTunes debate...

scottorlans wrote:

...and keep in mind that those are to PROTECT OUR INTERESTS AS RECORDING MUSICIANS!

exactly, there has to be limitations. for our own protection of our work.

HOME TAPING IS SKILL IN MUSIC

mike holiday wrote:free music keeps it live

word!!!

for myself i feel like i disrespect the present given to me everytime my music is related to money or busyness , the world is sick & i feel disgusted at how music in the 3rd millenium is rotten by money .
i am glad there is still some peoples who do it for the pleasure & don't fight for the fckng 20 % they lost in royalties out of the $20 million because of the free download .

hey all you haters, ban p2p ban slsk ban internet ban ban http://fat-pie.com/thechildthatsmeltfunny.htm
theres no light without dark, if there is tell me how? id be very interested.
all i mean is that fast access to music thanx to internet inspires thousands of musicians to keep makin' great music etc etc etc this is just one of examples. not everybody can afford original records at those prices, but true fans will keep buying em. all is resolutionary and all is connacted

Money and Music is not necessarily bad, Greed and Music is bad. There's a difference between wanting to be a professional musician and make enough to eat and pay the rent and being a greedy record label mogul. It's all about the intentions. I do believe ARTISTS have a right to be paid for their work.

With that said, these days the way bands and artists are blowing up without the record labels is by giving it away and by P2P! Then they sell out shows and sell CDs and people go online and buy it legit. Of course the record companies don't want this! It's free advertising to independent artists, one of the best and only ways to get known outside of the Industry Machine.

scottorlans wrote:

Money and Music is not necessarily bad, Greed and Music is bad. There's a difference between wanting to be a professional musician and make enough to eat and pay the rent and being a greedy record label mogul. It's all about the intentions. I do believe ARTISTS have a right to be paid for their work.

i totally agree. there is a difference between earning money and greed, and we do need to earn money in order to be able to do what we do... music that is.

Capitolism will kill art and music sooner than giving it away for free.

There was an interesting study of artistic children. They were picked because they all drew regularly. They were told that they would be payed a small sum for each drawing that they do. Production skyrocketed. A month later they were told that they were no longer going to be payed for their drawings. Production STOPPED ENTIRELY!

I make music because I have to. I do it to pay the Muse and give respect and thanks for being given the opportunity to live out a life on this planet.

Details like money and other things fall into place as they need to.

If you are present in your world you always get what you need. Defining wants as needs can be a big let down.

Performing is the way to make sure you are compensated the most for your art in most situations.

I am somewhat of a pessimistic optimist and believe the whole system is doomed but, it will probably be for the best.

I think mp3's will actually open doors to many producers and artists who never could have records or cds picked up my labels. It will open a lot of creativity and "real music" will emerge. Music with soul and not about $.. This is where music came from.

The current system has to die before something newer, fairer and better, can replace it.

I say kill it off, it was only benefeiting middlemen and a tiny, tiny, few lucky musos.

It's happening naturally now anyway, nobody will be able to stop it unless you take away the internet.

It may seem like a bad thing now, but what some people oviously thought would stay the same for ever, appears to be changing into something new, and that is a very, very good thing for musicians who arn't among the lucky few.

I think the days of the supergroup are numbered though, musos are going to have to get comfy with the idea that their music won't get them a mansion and a cruiser.

You never know, there might actually come a time when we can turn on the radio and not be forced to listen to the same 20 fkn tunes going round and round endlessly for weeks. Wouldn't that be nice!