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Post by ishimaru » Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:11 pm

So if you want to master a track what should you do? Spilt wav files up? or split the instruments up? I have no idea what you should do first when prepping your stuff to send off to the mastering engineer.
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Post by jerry123 » Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:23 pm

Once you are in contact with the engineer you are working with, they should specify.
Most can work off a stereo 16/44.1 wav file on CD. Some will request DAT. Look for guys who accept 1/2 inch tape(even though most don't have it to mix to). They are most likely top notch and experienced.

Oh, and keep those Compressors and EQ's off your stereo bus. They will make for a hard time when the mastering engineer works on it.

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Post by Machinate » Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:08 pm

ishimaru wrote:So if you want to master a track what should you do? Spilt wav files up? or split the instruments up?
Well if they're getting anything above a stereo track from you they're no longer mastering, they're mixing. Mastering is *post*-production.
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Post by sqook » Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:36 pm

/. wrote:once you dont think like they do, they want to bring you down hurt you and fuck you up every possible way. music is free form of art. its not necessary to master tracks
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The point of mastering is that it gives your music that little extra touch to bring out the core frequencies and sounds that you want to emphasize which brings your music to life. It also involves touching up certain parts of a track which need special post-production work, cleaning up the sound for vinyl pressing by level and stereo mastering, etc. A good mastering studio is what sets the pros and the amateurs apart (well, all things considered) by giving it that little extra "ooomph".

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Post by /. » Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:58 pm

The point of mastering is that it gives your music that little extra touch to bring out the core frequencies and sounds that you want to emphasize which brings your music to life. It also involves touching up certain parts of a track which need special post-production work, cleaning up the sound for vinyl pressing by level and stereo mastering, etc. A good mastering studio is what sets the pros and the amateurs apart (well, all things considered) by giving it that little extra "ooomph".
you can put eq [ limiters, maximizers, whatever ] on every sound in your track, you can do whatever you want, can tweak it where it never were before, you dont have to master the whole mix, sure you can, but you dont have to, imo tracks sound even better when every sound is tweaked individually.
whatever, do what you want every1, im not here tell you the rules.

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Post by jerry123 » Sun Feb 19, 2006 12:53 am

/., that's mixing. Not mastering.

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Post by radeon » Sun Feb 19, 2006 1:12 am

/. wrote:once you dont think like they do, they want to bring you down hurt you and fuck you up every possible way. music is free form of art. its not necessary to master tracks
I agree music is art and mastering is not absaloute must its only another link in the chain.

So what gives with you peopels angry with him and one call to ban him :lol: for what? to say mastering is not a must so relax peoples :wink:

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Post by spiderprod » Sun Feb 19, 2006 1:20 am

D DAS wrote:thanks for the link spiderpod. that is good to know. I assume you have used them before and are happy with the results?
a friend of mine used them ,i was quite impressed with the result .

it's funny cos while i am writing this post, wavelab is working on the background on compilation i am mastering .

/. (slashdot) mastering is the last process you have to do to press a record it's got nothing to do with making the track .
this process is to make the track sound good on every sound system possible .from mono system like tv speakers to good quality speakers .
there is different mastering process for different purposes ,example:
- a vynil mastering is the process to make the track loud enough & make sure the needle will not jump when the record is pressed .
- mastering for tv require more loudness & a higher sample rate for a better quality .
- a cd mastering requires a sample rate of 16bit 44.1 khz as it's the sample rate of a comercial cd .

dude, mastering is a science ,it's got nothing to do with the production side of making a track ,i would even say it's got nothing to do with art .

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Post by /. » Sun Feb 19, 2006 1:41 am

spiderprod wrote:/. (slashdot) mastering is the last process you have to do to press a record it's got nothing to do with making the track .
it has. it changes the sound of the track, so its part of track makin' process too. if you give it away to some mastering engineer, its not solo art anymore its combo, it would be something like a "band" then. if you made a track, then there it should end, if something is changed in the track its not original anymore.
this process is to make the track sound good on every sound system possible .from mono system like tv speakers to good quality speakers .
its outish man, you cant make it 'sound good on every sound system possible' cos there are too many soundsystems to catch, you have to stop soundsystem progress to make a track that would compromise them all together and sound "good"

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Post by jerry123 » Sun Feb 19, 2006 2:00 am

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Mastering is not as involved at you might think it is. You might want to get some of your stuff mastered so you can learn more about it.
Mastering should not change the sound of your mix. As well, your mix should translate accurately on multiple listening systems. It's always a good idea to have a set of refrence monitors, bookshelf home stereo speakers, a boom box and a small radio or tv speaker to check mixes on. If youy can't hear your kick on a 4 inch full range, your kick sound needs more work.
Think of mastering as a fine grain sanding or a subtle clear coat. Your mix that already sounds great on a bunch of different systems and you are completely satisfied with (I am assuming you have taken the position of mix engineer in this example. That's your job!)
you would then approach a mastering engineer basically for an opinion of your mix. Their job is strictly post production. They are to be translucent in the process.
For example, name an album or song by an artist you have never met that has great mastering. Trick question, huh?

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Post by spiderprod » Sun Feb 19, 2006 3:35 am

i don't know why i bother ,

do something man, you sound like you are swiming in noddles ,in a few years you will laugh at what you are saying .

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Post by drewdrops » Sun Feb 19, 2006 4:12 am

Mastering wont save a track if it doesnt sound great in the first place, if the mixdown is not up to scratch then its going to translate into the post-production process. Yep its gonna sound more polished hopefully after being run through some expensive equipment, but you should'nt need to worry only as and when a track is good and ready to be cut

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Post by jerry123 » Sun Feb 19, 2006 4:44 am

That's right. Mix as if there was no mastering stage.

Wait... Mix every song as if it were your last. No, your ONLY song.
Make it the thing that represents you. Live every day as if it was your last.

I kinda feel like I won't really know how to live untill my last day.

I'd really be curious to hear some before and after of the online services. The idea makes sense to a lot of people. I personally don't work with anyone I don't or won't hang out with.

After all the big industry BS money is gone and indy DIY just isn't quite good enough, there needs to be a new way of doing things.
I keep hearing that all of the music work available today is either at the very top or very bottom of the scale. My experience seems to relate.

Sure, a proper glass master of your tracks will cost up to $800US a song. But probably 2% of artists I've known have taken that route. Most have gotten away with $5-800 an album.

I used to go through Laquer Chanel in Toronto because of the reputation the head engineer there had. When I called him he said he was training a new guy and would get him in touch. I called and the guy offered to master a track fro free for an example. I sent a track, trustingly, and got it back and was happy. I sent a batch and was not as pleased, but the job was good.

I would expect to see a lot more options popping up online and in the real world.

Good luck to whoever is in search of the MASTER.

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Post by dpmtl » Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:16 am

/. wrote:yeah production
yeah music :mrgreen:
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Post by SubFunk » Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:26 am

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