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right, so here's the thing. The same thing that was happening in kraftwerk's day is happening now.


There is some underground music that you can hear the influence of in mainstream music.


I'd guess that more people own the hip hop and electro stuff that kraftwerk directly and heavily influenced than do kraftwerk.




And i have a very hard time with this idea that glich is something that computers do easily, and it's more that ease of production than actual influence that we're hearing in stuff that has choppy or sporadic rhythms. I don't think its easier or harder to produce, i just think it's an aesthetic trend.


What is most influencial is different than what sells the most copies records.


And what are we asking about? Most influencial to popular music? Most influencial to electronic music? And then what do you define as electronic music?


tough questions.


.lm.

charles-l wrote: Even most genres of dance are largely underground.

I dunno. In america, definately, over all in the world i don't think so. I think that a lot dance music is rightfully a major force. However, dance music is unique in that the majority of people who consume it don't actually give a shit about who made it. It's more about the presentation of it by a dj, and the place that it is presented in. The only people who care about who wrote a dance record are DJs or people who are probably as small as an audience as the people who buy stuff like aphex.



.lm.

OK, just one more post...


Anybody else notice those tic-tac commercials with the Raymond Scott music??

How amazing is how that music still sounds reasonably current? It's around 40 years old!


There's a great example of someone with a huge influence but little recognition. Shit, that guy had a fully functional sequencer when Bob Moog was still building theremins...



.lm.

yeap true we need to define what really influencial means and to who that is.

also how do you define this scale, because you can say that dance music is very influencial but this is realtive to what - its worth taking note that most of us in the forum are big music fans and we don't represent the world at large, what we deem influencial is not the same as to the average person

Depends on how you define electronic music, Kraftwerk were first, no doubt, (1969 or so) and easily the most influential. Kraftwerk were big on funk drum beats, stripped them down and made them a centerpiece, this simple concept has influenced every genre in electronic music.
Throbbing Gristle made electronic music hard, heavy, and dangerous. No industrial act alive, could exist without them.
I would have to say kraftwerk are the ones though, check out Numbers off of Computer world, or Trans Europe Express, or Man Machine, or.......

i might have to agree with Tarekith.
Cevin Key and Dwayne Goettel did some pretty interesting things back in the day. Cevin still does(RIP Dwayne).
I would not call them "gods" of electronic, but they helped push it forward.

But if you asked them, they would probably say something like "Neu!"

so many to choose from.

Alex Baldwin wrote:Hi all,

Question: Who would you consider the most influential
electronic musician?

I would have to say Richard D. James (Aphex Twin)

Couldn't single it down to one myself.

I'd have to say .....

Kraftwerk
Tangerine Dream
Yellow Magic Orchestra
John Foxx
Soft Cell
Yello
Depeche Mode
Cabaret Voltaire
Front 242
Richard H.Kirk
Juan Aitkins
Derrick May
Derrick Carter
DJ Pierre - (where would acidhouse and the 303 be without him)
Aux88
Mark Bell
Marshal Jefferson
Graham Massey
Vince Clarke
matmos
Tortoise
Burndt Freedman & AtomHeart (aka Flanger)
Chris Vrenna
Monolake
Arovane
Orbital (The Brothers Hartnol)
Wendy Carlos
Vangelis
Synthesists like Richard Barbieri and very early British synth music ala British Electric Foundation ; who later became two groups .....
1.Human League
2.Heaven 17
MuM
Mouse On Mars
Autechre
Sq Pusher
William Orbit (anyone remember Bass-O-Matic)
Future Sound of London
Eat Static
Ozrich Tentacles
Juno reaktor ( early material inparticular)
A Guy Called Gerald
Bjork

and so on and so forth .
Yep I could sit here typing for ages .
All been influential to me in one way or another .
Be that a subconscious , technological , musical or purely synthetic and or aesthetric level.
Emotional and otherwise also.
I guess alot of them got me interested in synths and newer production techniques.
Though I am still a huge fan of 80's synth music from the UK ala Soft Cell / Reproduction era Human League , DepecheMode, Cabaret Voltaire , SPK , Front 242 and artists like Europe's Yello who all helped initially spark my interest.


My 2 first synths where an SH09 and a CZ1000 followed 3 years later in 89 with an Emulator EII+

Who the heck is Jean Michael Jarre???

seriously.

fsk wrote:Delia Derbyshire!

yup.

and skinny puppy.

and genesis p-orridge

and LFO

FaX-01 wrote:

Alex Baldwin wrote:Hi all,

Question: Who would you consider the most influential
electronic musician?

I would have to say Richard D. James (Aphex Twin)

Couldn't single it down to one myself.

I'd have to say .....

Kraftwerk
Tangerine Dream
Yellow Magic Orchestra
John Foxx
Soft Cell
Yello
Depeche Mode
Cabaret Voltaire
Front 242
Richard H.Kirk
Juan Aitkins
Derrick May
Derrick Carter
DJ Pierre - (where would acidhouse and the 303 be without him)
Aux88
Mark Bell
Marshal Jefferson
Graham Massey
Vince Clarke
matmos
Tortoise
Burndt Freedman & AtomHeart (aka Flanger)
Chris Vrenna
Monolake
Arovane
Orbital (The Brothers Hartnol)
Wendy Carlos
Vangelis
Synthesists like Richard Barbieri and very early British synth music ala British Electric Foundation ; who later became two groups .....
1.Human League
2.Heaven 17
MuM
Mouse On Mars
Autechre
Sq Pusher
William Orbit (anyone remember Bass-O-Matic)
Future Sound of London
Eat Static
Ozrich Tentacles
Juno reaktor ( early material inparticular)
A Guy Called Gerald
Bjork

and so on and so forth .
Yep I could sit here typing for ages .
All been influential to me in one way or another .
Be that a subconscious , technological , musical or purely synthetic and or aesthetric level.
Emotional and otherwise also.
I guess alot of them got me interested in synths and newer production techniques.
Though I am still a huge fan of 80's synth music from the UK ala Soft Cell / Reproduction era Human League , DepecheMode, Cabaret Voltaire , SPK , Front 242 and artists like Europe's Yello who all helped initially spark my interest.

All this plus Jarre & more (prog. rockers too, even though I've been tired of that style for years).

But I think Bob Moog is the root of this tree.

Depeche Mode without a doubt
Underworld
Chemical Brothers.

azmills wrote:

FaX-01 wrote:

Alex Baldwin wrote:Hi all,

Question: Who would you consider the most influential
electronic musician?

I would have to say Richard D. James (Aphex Twin)

Couldn't single it down to one myself.

I'd have to say .....

Kraftwerk
Tangerine Dream
Yellow Magic Orchestra
John Foxx
Soft Cell
Yello
Depeche Mode
Cabaret Voltaire
Front 242
Richard H.Kirk
Juan Aitkins
Derrick May
Derrick Carter
DJ Pierre - (where would acidhouse and the 303 be without him)
Aux88
Mark Bell
Marshal Jefferson
Graham Massey
Vince Clarke
matmos
Tortoise
Burndt Freedman & AtomHeart (aka Flanger)
Chris Vrenna
Monolake
Arovane
Orbital (The Brothers Hartnol)
Wendy Carlos
Vangelis
Synthesists like Richard Barbieri and very early British synth music ala British Electric Foundation ; who later became two groups .....
1.Human League
2.Heaven 17
MuM
Mouse On Mars
Autechre
Sq Pusher
William Orbit (anyone remember Bass-O-Matic)
Future Sound of London
Eat Static
Ozrich Tentacles
Juno reaktor ( early material inparticular)
A Guy Called Gerald
Bjork

and so on and so forth .
Yep I could sit here typing for ages .
All been influential to me in one way or another .
Be that a subconscious , technological , musical or purely synthetic and or aesthetric level.
Emotional and otherwise also.
I guess alot of them got me interested in synths and newer production techniques.
Though I am still a huge fan of 80's synth music from the UK ala Soft Cell / Reproduction era Human League , DepecheMode, Cabaret Voltaire , SPK , Front 242 and artists like Europe's Yello who all helped initially spark my interest.

All this plus Jarre & more (prog. rockers too, even though I've been tired of that style for years).

But I think Bob Moog is the root of this tree.

As I said I could go on for ever .
Jarre , Gong , Cann , Yes etc etc and if you're going to mention Bob Moog you really have too throw Don Buchla in there also.
Both where great long time friends who had a passion for the synth's they built.
Whilst there where admitedly ideological differences based on synthesist user interface both of them where and are very clever people indeed.

FaX-01 wrote:

azmills wrote:

FaX-01 wrote:
Couldn't single it down to one myself.

I'd have to say .....

Kraftwerk
Tangerine Dream
Yellow Magic Orchestra
John Foxx
Soft Cell
Yello
Depeche Mode
Cabaret Voltaire
Front 242
Richard H.Kirk
Juan Aitkins
Derrick May
Derrick Carter
DJ Pierre - (where would acidhouse and the 303 be without him)
Aux88
Mark Bell
Marshal Jefferson
Graham Massey
Vince Clarke
matmos
Tortoise
Burndt Freedman & AtomHeart (aka Flanger)
Chris Vrenna
Monolake
Arovane
Orbital (The Brothers Hartnol)
Wendy Carlos
Vangelis
Synthesists like Richard Barbieri and very early British synth music ala British Electric Foundation ; who later became two groups .....
1.Human League
2.Heaven 17
MuM
Mouse On Mars
Autechre
Sq Pusher
William Orbit (anyone remember Bass-O-Matic)
Future Sound of London
Eat Static
Ozrich Tentacles
Juno reaktor ( early material inparticular)
A Guy Called Gerald
Bjork

and so on and so forth .
Yep I could sit here typing for ages .
All been influential to me in one way or another .
Be that a subconscious , technological , musical or purely synthetic and or aesthetric level.
Emotional and otherwise also.
I guess alot of them got me interested in synths and newer production techniques.
Though I am still a huge fan of 80's synth music from the UK ala Soft Cell / Reproduction era Human League , DepecheMode, Cabaret Voltaire , SPK , Front 242 and artists like Europe's Yello who all helped initially spark my interest.

All this plus Jarre & more (prog. rockers too, even though I've been tired of that style for years).

But I think Bob Moog is the root of this tree.

As I said I could go on for ever .
Jarre , Gong , Cann , Yes etc etc and if you're going to mention Bob Moog you really have too throw Don Buchla in there also.
Both where great long time friends who had a passion for the synth's they built.
Whilst there where admitedly ideological differences based on synthesist user interface both of them where and are very clever people indeed.

Buchla definitely, I agree 100%. We could just keep going & going.