Electronica Pioneers Wendy Carlos & Frank Zappa

thelike5 · Post by **thelike5** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:58 am

computo wrote:zappa, Biggie, ODB and tupac are all smokin blunts together on a desert island somewhere...

Yeah, yeah, I know Zappa didnt do ANY drugs...but come on, if you were on a secret desert island with those three, you'd start smoking too.

I almost forgot, ODB is dead...

DeadlyKungFu · Post by **DeadlyKungFu** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 1:41 am

Biggie and ODB? Tupac.
Biggie was shot on the Vegas Strip after a Tyson fight and they don't know who did it? Right...

Personally I really miss John Lennon and Bob Marley, great human beings.

Zappa too, you really should check this out (sorry to toot my own posts but this is honestly one of the best videos on the web):
http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2658805?htv=12
Zappa debating music censorship on Crossfire, a conservative talk show, the man is just so fucking cool, calm and level headed.
If that doesn't work, google for 'Zappa Crossfire'.

Tonight, pour a cap out for our fallen homies.

Peace.

Pitch Black · Post by **Pitch Black** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:46 am

Any of you Zappa-heads seen "Rock School" a documentary about a NYC after school program where the teacher gets the kids to learn Zappa (!) songs. And they end up playing at the Zappanale in Germany

ishimaru · Post by **ishimaru** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 1:07 pm

2 things.

1. I liked Zappa when he played the bicycle on TV.
2. I liked Wendy when she was still a man.

The End.

adamf · Post by **adamf** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:05 pm

I'm glad to hear so many good things about Frank, so often I hear the opposet and really half the people who claim "He sucks" never heard more than one of his tunes anyway...you got to respect a guy who has awsome chops yet lookes to bring in people who are better in certine areas...shure miss ya Frank, hope the new tour does ya right.

cashman · Post by **cashman** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:19 pm

computo wrote:zappa, Biggie, ODB and tupac are all smokin blunts together on a desert island somewhere...

Yeah, yeah, I know Zappa didnt do ANY drugs...but come on, if you were on a secret desert island with those three, you'd start smoking too.

Sorry mate, but that's the beginning of a joke right!?

I mean, when comparing things, they usually have something in common. I'd say that three of those names have more in common than the other one (praise be his name)!

"Hi Ho Silllver!" (to quote one of many quoteable lyrics)

MR Coogs · Post by **MR Coogs** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:04 pm

Zappa had really bad taste IMHO. Which is why he didn't get more mainstream exposure. Buying into these myths about his compositional skills is really a big joke on you.

D K · Post by **D K** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:31 am

MR Coogs wrote:Zappa had really bad taste IMHO. Which is why he didn't get more mainstream exposure. Buying into these myths about his compositional skills is really a big joke on you.

yeah, mainstream exposure is definitely a great way to judge the quality of art.
who wouldn't only want that?

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:49 pm

Zappa got a copy of Edgar Varèse complete works when he was 15.... He
was banned from listening to it downstairs and had to put it on soft in his
bedroom, think he spent months just absorbing that stuff.

btw a lot of those electronic pieces were also played by Yellow Shark if I
remember correctly..... um.... Wish I could remember the track name,
one of them is wild!

-Ben

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:50 pm

One of Varèse's biggest fans was the American guitarist and composer Frank Zappa, who, upon hearing a copy of The Complete Works of Edgard Varèse, Vol. 1, which included Intégrales, Density 21.5, Ionisation, and Octandre, became obsessed with the composer's music. On his 15th birthday, December 21, 1955, Zappa's mother, Rosemarie, allowed him a call to Varèse as a present. At the time Varèse was in Brussels, Belgium, so Zappa spoke to Varèse's wife Louise instead. Eventually Zappa and Varèse spoke on the phone, and they discussed the possibility of meeting each other, although this meeting never took place. Zappa also received a letter from Varèse. Varèse's spirit of experimentation and redefining the bounds of what was possible in music lived on in Zappa's long and prolific career.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Var%C3%A8se

-Ben

cashman · Post by **cashman** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:50 pm

MrYellow wrote:Zappa got a copy of Edgar Varèse complete works when he was 15.... He
was banned from listening to it downstairs and had to put it on soft in his
bedroom, think he spent months just absorbing that stuff.

btw a lot of those electronic pieces were also played by Yellow Shark if I
remember correctly..... um.... Wish I could remember the track name,
one of them is wild!

-Ben

more...
Edgard (as is shown in your Wikipedia quote).

I believe the group that played those 'pieces' was called the Ensemble Modern - the Yellow Shark is the album.
As far as I know, 'G-Spot tornado' is the only Track from 'Jazz from Hell' (the aforementioned Synclavier-based FZ album).

http://globalia.net/donlope/fz/lyrics/T ... Shark.html

rtopia · Post by **rtopia** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:17 pm

seeing that video reminded me of how weird that summer was...

Zappa was more interested in pure defense of the 1st Amendment and the rejection of expanded government than defending music.

And he made some "important" people really nervous.

The reason he didn't remain the Ambassador to the Czech republic was because our government refused to deal with him.

Read the real Frank Zappa book

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:51 pm

'G-Spot tornado' That's it..... Love that tune!

Sounds crazy funny on the synth, wild with the orchestra.

The bit where the trombones break-free is great, overblown and out of control.

-Ben

adamf · Post by **adamf** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:48 am

In case your like me and always heard of the video clips of the live performances but never saw them...here is a cool site I found them...

www.youtube.com

just put in Frank Zappa in the search engine and enjoy

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:30 am

G-Spot Tornado (Live):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQd-anmC ... nk%20zappa

Also worth a look.....
Debates on censorship (which we now have):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePZXjrs4 ... nk%20zappa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM9I3r11 ... nk%20zappa

-Ben

Electronica Pioneers Wendy Carlos & Frank Zappa

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