Live 2.1b1 is out!

rand · Post by **rand** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 1:39 pm

1st Thanks AGAIN Ableton for Rewire and some hard work I'm sure...
So far the ReWire1 stuff seems to work well....

But now, I realllly hate to say it .. (& it needs to be said)... but, ummm..
This seems to be ReWire1 protocal not ReWire2.
ReWire2 would allow one to actually play midi into Live from the ReWire Master ap... (Again, Rewire1 = NO midi communication between aps.)
Oh well, I can deal with it but it means yet again a work around if one wants to treat Live as a performance instrument from your ReWire Master ap... (jeeez, isn't that the point of this?..) Work around in OSX involves using a 3rd ap called MidiPipe and a careful setup in the host ap...
I also hate to say it... bubububut normally I can't play more then 8 tracks in OSX with a few plugsins when just running Live. Now I can run 2 aps and get even less performance. Cool.
So we have to once again hope, pray, & whine for some OSX attention... Hopefully this issue will _finally_ be put to rest with the work the other programmers have been working lately, as sort of mentioned above by Alex.
Sigh & keepin the faith,

(PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE no platform war comments... We all know Live isn't optomised for OSX - yet.. it plays fairly well in OS9, I can run ANY other ap just fine in OSX .. etc etc etc...)

jamief · Post by **jamief** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 1:52 pm

The Hulk wrote:I couldn't get a VST synth from Cubase SX to rewire into Ableton (although it showed me ports...but no sound...but this happened before). Any word on Cubase SX rewire in OS X? I think the tempo sync and everything worked, just not sound in.

Hulk that wont work.

Rewire is one way traffic at the moment

The rewire master is
the home base all rewire slaves flow into the master. There is no flow out of the rewire master to slave (audio data) ie from sx to live.

try this

Try setting your cubase audio folder to record all audio parts to the Ableton Live ( self contained folder) song folder. Thatway when you export Vstis or record acoustics with cubasec as your front end and live as slave the files are quickly and easily available both to live and logic from one folder. Its a fluid way of working and keeps workflow spontanous.
Its good try it !

Damian · Post by **Damian** » Tue Jul 08, 2003 4:27 am

Well I'm glad you guys have done the work that you have but what about the unwanted automation that acurs on complicated projects. This is extremely debilitatin & time consuming. Sometimes every parameter on any number of FX can be automated in what seems to be a lunatic manner just by moving some audio. I have spoken about this before & got a reply that said the problem was being worked on. But now nothing! SUrely others are suffering under this incredibly annoying problem. How long could it take to fix something so obvious? Was it forgotten because I didn't keep complaining? I just figure that if you say you're working on it, you are. If you want this product to be taken seriously by proffessionals you must sort this problem out FAST.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Jul 08, 2003 4:31 am

Well I'm glad you guys have done the work that you have but what about the unwanted automation that acurs on complicated projects. This is extremely debilitatin & time consuming. Sometimes every parameter on any number of FX can be automated in what seems to be a lunatic manner just by moving some audio. I have spoken about this before & got a reply that said the problem was being worked on. But now nothing! SUrely others are suffering under this incredibly annoying problem. How long could it take to fix something so obvious? Was it forgotten because I didn't keep complaining? I just figure that if you say you're working on it, you are. If you want this product to be taken seriously by proffessionals you must sort this problem out FAST.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Jul 08, 2003 4:34 am

Alex wrote:Hi folks,

it seems that (sometimes) also rumours can be true...

With this posting we announce a beta version of the upcoming Live 2.1 version availabe on our website www.ableton.com/beta

At the beginning of next week there will be an official announcement for the upcoming
Live 2.1 update on our website. The members of the newsletter will be informed too.

The main topics of Live 2.1 are:
===============================================
- ReWire slave support for OS X
- SDII audio file import under OS 9 & OS X
- Support for Direct I/O to access Digidesign audio hardware
- Bugfixes (see below)

Beta restrictions:
===============================================
- Can only be used until the end of July 2003
- just the english language version is available
- No manual

Who can use/test it
===============================================
The beta phase is needed because we had to change some important internals
(from the technical side) to support ReWire slave functionality for OS X.
The Beta version (Live 2.1b1) can be used also by interested people who does not yet use Live so far.
To unlock the Beta version please take a look on the beta website (www.ableton.com/beta).

Where and how to send the beta feedback
===============================================
Please send all beta related feedback to [email protected].

When founding a bug please have the following things in mind as a small check list:
- Is it reproduceable
- If yes, what are the steps to "create" this bug
- Try to reduce as much dependencies as possible (does it happen just with e special song?, or just with a certain audio/midi hardware? or just on a certain computer?,...)
- When sending an email try to include as much informations about your system as possible.

Why comes this version now
===============================================
The main reason for the release of this version now is the support for the ReWire slave
functionality under OS X. It needed so much time because we had to solve several technical
problems. Beside that not the complete ableton team was working on this update.
In fact just some less developers. So you can be sure this update was not all we did
in the last months

For an overview about the contained bugfixes look see http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3869.

sorry for any writing mistakes. We will try to get some sleep now
kind regards,
Alex

Well I'm glad you guys have done the work that you have but what about the unwanted automation that acurs on complicated projects. This is extremely debilitatin & time consuming. Sometimes every parameter on any number of FX can be automated in what seems to be a lunatic manner just by moving some audio. I have spoken about this before & got a reply that said the problem was being worked on. But now nothing! SUrely others are suffering under this incredibly annoying problem. How long could it take to fix something so obvious? Was it forgotten because I didn't keep complaining? I just figure that if you say you're working on it, you are. If you want this product to be taken seriously by proffessionals you must sort this problem out FAST.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Jul 08, 2003 3:59 pm

Markizack? Is that you?
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Go Away.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Jul 08, 2003 6:10 pm

rand wrote:But now, I realllly hate to say it .. (& it needs to be said)... but, ummm..
This seems to be ReWire1 protocal not ReWire2.
ReWire2 would allow one to actually play midi into Live from the ReWire Master ap... (Again, Rewire1 = NO midi communication between aps.)

Personally, I find this to be extremely limiting for Live as Rewire slave. I was hoping by the time they brought slave functionality to all the platforms, they'd have rewire2 hammered out.

Usage of Live as a slave through rewire1 is fairly difficult and requires more hoops to jump thorugh than I find useful.

Post by **Alex** » Tue Jul 08, 2003 7:19 pm

Hi folks,

just some words this MIDI over ReWire issue...
It's true that we don't recieve MIDI messages in Live coming from any ReWire master. But it's not related to ReWire 1 or ReWire 2.

Technically we use the latest ReWire SDK from Propellerheads (version is about 2.2.x). But we just don't (yet) support the recieving of MIDI messages over ReWire. This is also not related to any specific platform. This information will not help you so far but I want to clarify that point.

And like many other things this is also an issue on our endless wishlist :)

Btw. all of you sending questions, emails to [email protected] (which is me I remember); I try to answer everybody but please have a bit patience if it takes some days.

regards,
Alex

guest · Post by **guest** » Tue Jul 08, 2003 8:24 pm

Damian wrote: ...If you want this product to be taken seriously by proffessionals you must sort this problem out FAST...

oohh.. ableton.. listen

we have a PROFFFFFESSIONAL here...

thank you damian and please

posssssst more

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Jul 08, 2003 9:43 pm

...still no option for MIDI control "soft takeover" (i.e. "latch" or "hook") mode in 2.1b1?? I still only see either absolute or relative options - this is the single item preventing me from purchasing LIVE for performance use...

Post by **Alex** » Tue Jul 08, 2003 9:54 pm

Hi folks,

I can understand that everybody wants its "own" feature better yesterday than tomorrow :) but the all new features in Live 2.1 are listed in my initial posting in this thread.

regards,
Alex

muthafunka · Post by **muthafunka** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 3:10 am

Anonymous wrote:...still no option for MIDI control "soft takeover" (i.e. "latch" or "hook") mode in 2.1b1?? I still only see either absolute or relative options - this is the single item preventing me from purchasing LIVE for performance use...

Why not buy it anyway and just get with making some music and learning the workflow, then when you get the feature you want, BOOM! you're already up and running.
Just an idea
nik

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 3:18 am

guest wrote:
Damian wrote: ...If you want this product to be taken seriously by proffessionals you must sort this problem out FAST...
oohh.. ableton.. listen

we have a PROFFFFFESSIONAL here...

thank you damian and please

posssssst more

Point Taken.Although my concern is not about status but time.It is not easy to make a living out of music & when you have someone breathing down your neck to finish something, strugling with a frustrating software problem is really not on ones list of relaxing passtimes. But surely you have better things to do than trying to embarrass people?

Mickey · Post by **Mickey** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:27 am

Well Ableton (Alex) I for one am very happy about this update. So far so good. There are a few glitches but I dont know yet if they are my computer or the software. Anyway, just wanted to say to the whiners who are never happy. With the introduction of rewire support for OSX, Live CAN easily be integrated in to a setup. For those that are waiting for some exotic feature that isnt really needed I suggest you stop your moaning and whining and simply get on with having a great time using Live because its a fantastic program.

septime · Post by **septime** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 9:31 am

It is not easy to make a living out of music & when you have someone breathing down your neck to finish something, strugling with a frustrating software problem is really not on ones list of relaxing passtimes.

Thats the reason why NOBODY with a professional approach would seriously try to make music with LIVE.
E.g. Monolake: As far as I know he uses LIVE just as a text-editor because its more stable than MS-Word and as a second Finder because one can browse very quickly through folders. And when it comes to a Live-Act he takes he's Laptop with Cubase on it and a handfull of vst-plugs...
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Live 2.1b1 is out!

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