No quantize above 1/16th in Live?...

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Sat May 20, 2006 11:55 am

rapidix wrote:
mikemc wrote:well, hmm. actually, "None" is above 1/16th.
I agree with this statement. Maybe 1/32 would suffice, but if you're getting into 1/64, then what's the point of quantizing at all? Just turn it off if you got the skills.

whats the point of quantizing a 1/64 ? well, its the same reason as quantizing at 1/16. Becase you want your note to land on a 64th/16th but you dont 'have the skills' to do so , so you want your software to correct it.

I believe hip hop producers would benefit

Willyum · Post by **Willyum** » Sat May 20, 2006 12:50 pm

Drum & Bass, Jungle, Techno, some Electro, Industrial and IDM....All use 1/64th heavily with numerous rolls. I don't think Hip Hop uses 1/64, only 1/32 for the 'off' beats and that can usually be done with 75% swing.

The point is a majority of the Live crowd produces 1 of the types listed above as well as other music. It just doesn't make scense to not include them

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Sat May 20, 2006 1:36 pm

thanks for the tip

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Sat May 20, 2006 1:44 pm

b0unce wrote:
rapidix wrote:
mikemc wrote:well, hmm. actually, "None" is above 1/16th.
I agree with this statement. Maybe 1/32 would suffice, but if you're getting into 1/64, then what's the point of quantizing at all? Just turn it off if you got the skills.
whats the point of quantizing a 1/64 ? well, its the same reason as quantizing at 1/16. Becase you want your note to land on a 64th/16th but you dont 'have the skills' to do so , so you want your software to correct it.

I believe hip hop producers would benefit

Yeah, but for input quantize to be useful at all, you have to be able to get close to the value you're asking it to quantize to or it won't do anything good.

I think my skills are pretty average and I can play 32nd notes at 120bpm, but not 64ths. Well, maybe with sticks, but i don't own a drumkat or anything like that.

The thing is, once something's been quantized by input quantize, it's like that forever, you can't undo it. It's actually a lot better in my opinion to record without input quantize and then do it afterwards.

Not that i see any reason for not including 32nds for input quantize, i just can't imagine ever using it myself.

.lm.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Sat May 20, 2006 2:36 pm

leisuremuffin wrote:
b0unce wrote:
rapidix wrote: I agree with this statement. Maybe 1/32 would suffice, but if you're getting into 1/64, then what's the point of quantizing at all? Just turn it off if you got the skills.
whats the point of quantizing a 1/64 ? well, its the same reason as quantizing at 1/16. Becase you want your note to land on a 64th/16th but you dont 'have the skills' to do so , so you want your software to correct it.

I believe hip hop producers would benefit

Yeah, but for input quantize to be useful at all, you have to be able to get close to the value you're asking it to quantize to or it won't do anything good.

Word. if you're looking for something that will quantize your live DnB playing at 172 bpm into 64th notes, then I want you in my band!

leisuremuffin wrote: The thing is, once something's been quantized by input quantize, it's like that forever, you can't undo it. It's actually a lot better in my opinion to record without input quantize and then do it afterwards.
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.lm.

Really? Sounds like a muffin who hasn't tried it

After a recording the first entry in the undo-list is the quantization, the second is the recording itself - undo once to go un-quantized, and twice to remove the recording.

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Sat May 20, 2006 2:50 pm

no shit?

I stand corrected, nice one.

.lm.

longjohns · Post by **longjohns** » Sat May 20, 2006 4:03 pm

Willyum wrote:Drum & Bass, Jungle, Techno, some Electro, Industrial and IDM....All use 1/64th heavily with numerous rolls.

but aren't those drawn mostly? you can draw down to like 1/16,384

Willyum wrote:I don't think Hip Hop uses 1/64, only 1/32 for the 'off' beats and that can usually be done with 75% swing.

generally speaking you're probably right, but there are people whose drum tracks have really funky timings, maybe jay dee or dabrye.

Willyum wrote:The point is a majority of the Live crowd produces 1 of the types listed above as well as other music. It just doesn't make scense to not include them

agreed! though i also agree that most people can't play this accurately so it just comes down to the edit grid, which is already capable of high resolutions