You ask a question on a forum, I give you an answer. Why so butthurt?john doe by choice wrote: looks like you just trolled yourself, genius - we've all seen his bullshit "name one professional" thread, although I don't spend enough time here watching his posts to know he's a racist, so good for you, time well spent, here's some free internets, enjoy
Actually just some questions on DP 6. I'm still on 5. I upgraded from 2 a couple years ago!aisling wrote:I am a dedicated dp user (no flame intended, just what I know and have used since 2000, but lately have found my self using live for more and more over-all production), but I hear pro-tools 8 really improved the platform to almost be a contender. I also hear rumors that the next logic update will leave all the rest way behind in the dust (bring a lunch), ant thoughts or validating opinions?
Machinesworking wrote:Actually just some questions on DP 6. I'm still on 5. I upgraded from 2 a couple years ago!aisling wrote:I am a dedicated dp user (no flame intended, just what I know and have used since 2000, but lately have found my self using live for more and more over-all production), but I hear pro-tools 8 really improved the platform to almost be a contender. I also hear rumors that the next logic update will leave all the rest way behind in the dust (bring a lunch), ant thoughts or validating opinions?
I'm wondering if you have 6? Live can export 32 bit separate tracks which would be great to use in DP. Although it's possible to set up Live with 10+ songs in a set all with their own mixes, the pain of it seems MUCH higher than with DP.
What I'm thinking of doing is running both DP and Live (not rewired) for a live set, and using DP for the audio tracks and Kore in DP for live instruments and FX. The Song window in DP just seems to be the best concept for a live set, and Live of course does things that DP can't.
On topic, Logic 9 is rumored, no doubt IMO that Logic gets a audio editing overhaul. I wouldn't use Pro Tools for composition anyway, it's a studio tool IMO.
I am still on 5.13. I did not get into live until ver 5. When live 7 came out, I realized that I was benefiting more from the live work flow, and using dp for the things that live "does not" do to my "comprehension" (midi editing, finite audio editing.....) I actually plan to stay at 5.13 and upgrade to live 8. I am letting go of needing to upgrade each and every time, and trying to control my compulsiveness by working with what I have. That said, I will still splurge for the live 8 upgrade.......You can add Yamaha and name check Cakewalks close association with Microsoft as factor too. Even though MOTU themselves are bi DP is tiny compared to the others. DP is weird. Just the fact that the Track Overview arbitrarily breaks up MIDI into chunks based on measures is odd. The only track based MIDI app as opposed to object/clip based like the rest.aisling wrote:
I personally love dp, it has always made sense to me.......And I like supporting the "underdog" (considering digidesign and apple)
Your right in many regards. Word has it is dp5.13 is more stable than dp 6 "so far".......I agree 100% about the SDII format. I guess I am just a creature of habit, and dp was the first daw that I became self sufficient, creative and productive. But seriously, live has been sweeping me off my feet, especially since ver 7.Machinesworking wrote: You can add Yamaha and name check Cakewalks close association with Microsoft as factor too. Even though MOTU themselves are bi DP is tiny compared to the others. DP is weird. Just the fact that the Track Overview arbitrarily breaks up MIDI into chunks based on measures is odd. The only track based MIDI app as opposed to object/clip based like the rest.
I'm still on DP 5 and Live 7. Until I get work flowing in. I like DP, but I don't want to work in SDII dead format, and WAV, AIFF is so much easier to deal with. This is one reason I look at DP 6, that it now works with all file types, but the fact that it's even lighter than 5 is a big plate of suck.
That and I'm wanting stability much more than features these days. So I'll wait on both probably.
It's funny, but I love Live, and I'm looking at DP for live performance. The Arrangement View in Live is just not the same for looking at a one hour set with ten songs in it, consisting of 12 - 16 stereo tracks. It gives me shudders just to think about, whereas in DP Chunks and the Song Window make that easy. The bussing in each Chunk can be totally different for instance, whereas to pull that off in Live, you would have to add busses and tracks for each new song. Plus the Song Window is like neat little folders for each individual Sequence/song. Add to that the VI Racks, and I can basically pull it off in DP a little smoother.aisling wrote: Your right in many regards. Word has it is dp5.13 is more stable than dp 6 "so far".......I agree 100% about the SDII format. I guess I am just a creature of habit, and dp was the first daw that I became self sufficient, creative and productive. But seriously, live has been sweeping me off my feet, especially since ver 7.
These are very valid points raised. I became interested in live for a "live jamming" application. I agree that "chunks" in dp can offer some more progressive options for live performance in the composition domain. When I was last performing live (a few years ago, before child raising responsibilities took a temporary priority) I was still on an old titanium powerbook and preferred to bounce down my backing tracks in dp and play to stereo files, I could not trust the stability of my set up to utilize chunks live. Ironically, I used chunks compositionally when producing tracks at home on my desktop.....I love the ability to arrange songs using chunks.Machinesworking wrote:It's funny, but I love Live, and I'm looking at DP for live performance. The Arrangement View in Live is just not the same for looking at a one hour set with ten songs in it, consisting of 12 - 16 stereo tracks. It gives me shudders just to think about, whereas in DP Chunks and the Song Window make that easy. The bussing in each Chunk can be totally different for instance, whereas to pull that off in Live, you would have to add busses and tracks for each new song. Plus the Song Window is like neat little folders for each individual Sequence/song. Add to that the VI Racks, and I can basically pull it off in DP a little smoother.aisling wrote: Your right in many regards. Word has it is dp5.13 is more stable than dp 6 "so far".......I agree 100% about the SDII format. I guess I am just a creature of habit, and dp was the first daw that I became self sufficient, creative and productive. But seriously, live has been sweeping me off my feet, especially since ver 7.
This is pretty much a suck on the part of Live though. It's still not as set up for composers to play their compositions live in a set without bouncing to a stereo track and playing over that IMO. Live 8's group tracks helps, but...
The Hulk wrote:Ok, I never thought I'd be asking for purchasing advice...but I just got a MOTU 2408mk3 which I'm thinking of exchanging for either a lower end Motu 828 in conjuction with Logic....or the 8 i/o channel Digidesign rack module with protools.....Ahhh...now that they both support Rewire I just have no idea. From what I understand you can open Reason and Ableton within Logic. All those AU's, but for less money I get a module and Protools...which is the standard right? I'm just trying to get my money's worth, because I don't need such a high end sound module and I'm ready to ditch Cubase SX for better software. Which software better lends itself to Live performance?
agreed, PT le is garbage only the HD systems are worth a consideration if you run a recording studio...otnooishphoo wrote:The Hulk wrote:Ok, I never thought I'd be asking for purchasing advice...but I just got a MOTU 2408mk3 which I'm thinking of exchanging for either a lower end Motu 828 in conjuction with Logic....or the 8 i/o channel Digidesign rack module with protools.....Ahhh...now that they both support Rewire I just have no idea. From what I understand you can open Reason and Ableton within Logic. All those AU's, but for less money I get a module and Protools...which is the standard right? I'm just trying to get my money's worth, because I don't need such a high end sound module and I'm ready to ditch Cubase SX for better software. Which software better lends itself to Live performance?
pro tools le is a pile of useless garbage.
it's only useful to have if you need to export a session as waves into protools so you can get it mixed
at a "professional" studio (lol)...
le is the bargain bin of the digi world.. it just now with version 8 gained some new midi features that have
been around since the mid 90's not to mention features that pretty much every other daw has
had for at least a year now..
they are the MICROSOFT of the audio world.
thats my opinion.
however the last time i used logic it was version 6, and we dubbed it illogic because it was a tangles mess
of windows and seemingly random connections.
i am sure 8 is better now.
GAFM ***SubFunk wrote:
agreed, PT le is garbage only the HD systems are worth a consideration if you run a recording studio...
Logic 8 is the dogs bollocks. and to me for pure studio work still the best. the CPU efficiency and performance on OSX for large mixing projects is a dream!