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astronmr20 wrote: Just ask ANY muslim who has tried to sit down at a cafe in Paris. Or actually tried to get a job there..

erm...there is a rather large population of north africans in France - I think that statement s probaly a little over exaggerated

hambone1 wrote:Hmmm... ever notice that it's just about always Yanks and Brits arguing the New World Order?

Just an observation... draw your own conclusions.

Except the British perspective usually invloves talking about what the Americans are doing and how they are going to react.

For anyone busy slammin' Dubya and the Good Ole U S of A (which is undoubtedly FAR from perfect)... I'd be looking elsewhere for other baddies, too... the quiet ones... the ones that have the potential to make Bin Laden/Al-Qaeda/etc look like schoolboy bullies, and make today's terrorist atrocities pale into insignificance...

astronmr20 wrote: And isin't Iceland technically a norse country? Don't they actually BAN black people or something?

Wot?

forge wrote: meaning you CAN love your country and still admit there are and have been problems with it

Ah. The moral of a south park episode (I'm a little bit country....)

I cant even relate to that on the level you guys see it.
My country is so insignificant small, that loving or hating it is futile...
I've grown to appreciate it more over time though.
By todays standards, i virtually live in one of the safest places on earth.

I watch all that fear mongering from a distance. And thru the medium of lots and lots of comedy and satire, I can get a realistic view whats going on.
I've said it before, how f'ed up is the world if you need to get your news from "fake" news shows? (which ironically get aired on CNN over here)

Discussing this subject on the level you guys discuss it goes beyond me. But at least i don't feel ignorant towards the subject.

Gotta see that Gore Movie though.
Sounds like thrilling and action packed Al gore lectures with video
All I wonna know is when i can grow coconuts in Belgium. I'll export them as choconuts to the british and japanese and make a fortune

hambone1 wrote:For anyone busy slammin' Dubya and the Good Ole U S of A (which is undoubtedly FAR from perfect)... I'd be looking elsewhere for other baddies, too... the quiet ones... the ones that have the potential to make Bin Laden/Al-Qaeda/etc look like schoolboy bullies, and make today's terrorist atrocities pale into insignificance...

honestly Hambone, what do you think they will do? nuke LA? they would be vapourised so quickly thy wouldnt know what had hit them

what could N Korea ACTUALLY do with Nukes, even if they can reach teh US? you must have heard of M.A.D?

hoffman2k wrote:All I wonna know is when i can grow coconuts in Belgium. I'll export them as choconuts to the british and japanese and make a fortune

Hang on a while longer.. global warming will help you out...

forge wrote:honestly Hambone, what do you think they will do? nuke LA? they would be vapourised so quickly thy wouldnt know what had hit them

what could N Korea ACTUALLY do with Nukes, even if they can reach teh US? you must have heard of M.A.D?

M.A.D. ain't that different from MAD!!!

IMO, the effects of anyone launching any kind of nuclear strike anywhere in the world will have devastating consequences on the rest of the planet. What's ironic is that the same US government that everyone slams is arguably the biggest deterrent stopping this from happening!

Edit: And they still use their corporate-Middle-Eastern-oil-based-plastic cheap computers to make music... more irony (or is that hypocrisy?)

hambone1 wrote:

forge wrote:honestly Hambone, what do you think they will do? nuke LA? they would be vapourised so quickly thy wouldnt know what had hit them

what could N Korea ACTUALLY do with Nukes, even if they can reach teh US? you must have heard of M.A.D?

M.A.D. ain't that different from MAD!!!

IMO, the effects of anyone launching any kind of nuclear strike anywhere in the world will have devastating consequences on the rest of the planet. What's ironic is that the same US government that everyone slams is arguably the biggest deterrent stopping this from happening!

And we still use our corporate-Middle-Eastern-oil-based-plastic computers to make music... more irony!

maybe so...but you can actually criticise the likes of Kim Jong Il etc etc without having to say that makes Dubbaya OK. This is what everyone keeps doing and I dont get it "yeah well at least he's not hitler" etc etc

thay can both be bad - in fact it's more important that Americans do think of it like that because they have a better chance of voting him out than N.Koreans do their guy - saying "well at least he's not as bad as...." is a kind of cop out.

America has SO much wrong with it. That's one of the reasons I choose not to live there any more.

But it also has so much RIGHT with it.

If only we/they could eliminate the wrong bits...

why do some americans feel they have to suck up to other people in other country's by runing this place down?
you could have said happy 4th and left it at that.
we know how many peope have died in iraq, we know bush is a bad president, we hear about it every freaking day! give us a break !
its like the so called peace makers are out to start mental war with every american. let us have some fun damnit!

Machinesworking wrote:Look around the planet in 1776, where would you want to be? and who had the most progressive government? Now, you could easily argue it's Europe that is leading the way, but then?

For human rights, freedom of speech, not to mention freedom of religion, that would most likely be the ottoman empire. That was pretty much 'pay your taxes, don't kill anyone, get left alone'. AFAIK.

forge wrote:

astronmr20 wrote: Just ask ANY muslim who has tried to sit down at a cafe in Paris. Or actually tried to get a job there..

erm...there is a rather large population of north africans in France - I think that statement s probaly a little over exaggerated

With unemployment levels on the wrong side of 50% in places with large concentrations of muslims, and the riots last year in the same places... I wouldn't be so hasty, forge. It's more or less the same all over Europe: we've kept our welfare systems open and our labour markets closed (to quote the Economist newspaper), the opposite of the Americans. Most of the immigrants from non-European countries here in Denmark are self-employed, meaning they sell kebabs and run cornershops. Each and everyone fucking time someone does the test of sending the same application for the same job and marking one as from Mohammed and the other as from Michael, it's clear. Mohammed doesn't get the job. With all due respect for the French (love the place, love the people, speak the language, don't get me wrong), if these things are bad in Scandinavia and Germany, they're 99% likely to be worse in France.

stinky wrote:

Just saying the US people aren't any more racist than europeans, that's all.

all you have to do is compare the penal system in these countries and you find that statement is inherently incorrect and out of proportion.

"A jail represents a microcosm of your community"

Or more to the point - "I dwell on all the black males doing time/got me wondering who invented motherfucking crime"

(Chuck D)

noisetonepause wrote:

forge wrote:

astronmr20 wrote: Just ask ANY muslim who has tried to sit down at a cafe in Paris. Or actually tried to get a job there..

erm...there is a rather large population of north africans in France - I think that statement s probaly a little over exaggerated

With unemployment levels on the wrong side of 50% in places with large concentrations of muslims, and the riots last year... I wouldn't be so hasty, forge. It's more or less the same all over Europe: we've kept our welfare systems open and our labour markets closed (to quote the Economist newspaper), the opposite of the Americans. Most of the immigrants from non-European countries here in Denmark are self-employed, meaning they sell kebabs and run cornershops. Each and everyone fucking time someone does the test of sending the same application for the same job and marking one as from Mohammed and the other as from Michael, it's clear. Mohammed doesn't get the job. With all due respect for the French (love the place, love the people, speak the language, don't get me wrong), if these things are bad in Scandinavia and Germany, they're 99% likely to be worse in France.

ok I sit corrected

I'm really disagreeing with the "you dont like this, well they're worse" argument - there is good and bad everywhere.

and criticising one bad American administration seems to get alot of "yeah, well at least he's not {insert random 3rd world dictator}" which I dont think is really helpful.

I only bother saying it because I dont really think alot of the people saying these things actually do respect Bush - they just somehow see it as a personal attack on them.

I dont really understand why so many people equate Bush criticism with "america hating" - I usually really like the Americans I meet, and they're not GWB or Donald Rumsfeld.