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I will! On a wave of inspiration I was busy till early in the morning designing it. Now I will just have to save for the parts/ultralite...

If Live 6 comes out before this I will probably have to redesign it, but no probs, I LIKE IT!!

stealth1 wrote:The guys that design and build these products are all muppets.

I heard Ms. Piggy had a lot to do with current problems in sound card/midi interface designs...

robin wrote:

Nixon wrote:However If you buy a good sound interface with enough connections, you can route your audio through the channels of a "normal" dj mixer, wich sits in every club already. combined with a controller you will have all functionality of the 3d for one third of the price.

That's exactly why I've decided on a xone 62.

I thought about using a separate mixer, soundcard and controller but it's too much to carry around. If there is no room in a dj booth for a laptop and a 3D I can't see there being room for all separate devices - plus you have to wire them up!

I wouldn't want to reply on being able to wire multiple channels on the in-house mixer as they'll all different and don't work half the time. Rather just show up and need a stereo line input - done. I've never run into a situation where I can't get get booked because i needed a bit of room in the booth.

I will not argue that you're paying a premium for it all in one.. but the simplicity and portability for me is key. I originally looked at a Echo Audio AudioFire12 and the Xone 464.. but in the end it was going to bug a HUGE rig.. alas

hujib wrote:[

I thought about using a separate mixer, soundcard and controller but it's too much to carry around. If there is no room in a dj booth for a laptop and a 3D I can't see there being room for all separate devices - plus you have to wire them up!

Every DJ booth already comes with a mixer right?

I wouldn't want to reply on being able to wire multiple channels on the in-house mixer as they'll all different and don't work half the time. Rather just show up and need a stereo line input - done. I've never run into a situation where I can't get get booked because i needed a bit of room in the booth.

I will not argue that you're paying a premium for it all in one.. but the simplicity and portability for me is key. I originally looked at a Echo Audio AudioFire12 and the Xone 464.. but in the end it was going to bug a HUGE rig.. alas

Yeah I agree on your point about the accessibility/variability of house mixers. The best setup for me would be a smallish (uc33 size) midi "mixer" with built in audio. At the minute I have a 12" powerbook, a maya 44 usb sound card, faderfox lv1 and a uc17 that's acting as a midi interface. All the parts are very small and just about fit into most booths I've played in.

Xone 3D Mini?

Every DJ booth does have they're own mixer, but I want to use what I'm used to - playing live for me is a little more involved then the DJ set "eq, fader" deal.

Xone 3D Mini?

excactly! the xone iniminokkio

robin wrote:From a Dj perspective:


Personally I'm just about to purchase a xone 62. I'll control Live from my Faderfox.

i used to use that set-up(w/lv1). had the 62 for 5 years... stilll got a great price when i sold it.

the 3D kicks ass... Lives up to allen & heath's reputation! sounds awsome, and built sturdy..it feels like quality

I was able to sell enuff old gear to almost cover my 3D
(when i sell my digi002r, i'll have coverd it)

it is actually the same size as my digi 002r

but i suppose it depends on what you're going to do to it.. I'm stilll hooked on mixing vinyl.


@ subterFUSE have fun!!

I guess the weirdest thing I find about the 3D bash-fest on various boards is that people all work differently and that people's opinions never seem to reflect an understanding of that.

Yeah.. I think most people who are bashing it probably have not used it. And they probably can't afford it, either.



Cartman: "Damnit Kenny, if you don't stop being so damned poor, I'm going to have to start hucking rocks at ya."

I don't know about that. I think the 3D has some legitimate size concerns and does seem redundant to those who don't DJ.

But if you do DJ, you can immediately see the appeal of the unit for hands on control and having a proper audio mixer at the same time. But that only comes from experience, I believe.

It's expensive, but not impossibly so considering what you get and whether one is truly serious about performing with Live (and other gear) or not.

rob.

Sounds like what people want is a 3D that's really a 2D. SOLID controller w/audio interface. A master analog output control would be well received for those OMFG LIVE JUST BLEW UP AND IS BLASTING OUT WHITE NOIZE moments.

robtronik wrote:
It's expensive, but not impossibly so considering what you get and whether one is truly serious about performing with Live (and other gear) or not.

Rob, It's still possible to have reservations about the device (not about the quality or any of that) and still be serious about djing .

robin wrote:

robtronik wrote:
It's expensive, but not impossibly so considering what you get and whether one is truly serious about performing with Live (and other gear) or not.

Rob, It's still possible to have reservations about the device (not about the quality or any of that) and still be serious about djing .

you are totally right. I was just pontificating from the perspective of those that really demand the type of solution that products like the Pioneer DJM-800 and the 3D provide.

But not to the exclusion of those who might want something different like the Lemur or a few of the faderfoxes, etc.

rob.

johnstonpg wrote:Is the XONE: 3D Worth it??? I mean before I go spend close to $3000, I just want to know your input. Thanks

I'll let you know what I think once I get my hands on it, Johnston.

Thank you everyone!!!!

It just arrived.

Opening box now.