Ableton Forum

dr_dohh wrote:i mean, how are you supposed to do that with the current clip envelopes? I mean, i love the clip envelopes, but to incorporate a whole set of panning shifts, it'll be more difficult to use (i assume), and will defeat the purpose of live.

I can not really see the problem here: One Clip envelope for the X axis and one Clip Envelope for the Y axis. That's two Clip Envelopes to control the position in the surround field. They could add a vector field to the Envelope Editor like in Absynth's Surround Envelopes, to make editing the two envelopes easier.

Personally I'd prefer 3 envelopes rather than two
as it would be more intuitive when it comes to
programming or editing ie:

1. the front pan envelope (becomes LCR instead of LR)
2. an envelope for Front <-> Rear
3. a rear pan envelope for Surr L <-> Surr R

(FWIW ProTools carries 5.1 automation this way)

Having watched film mixers work a lot I notice they often dont use a joystick
panner, but perform the pans using multiple pan knobs as per above....
It of course depends on the content & context, as there are definitely times
when flying a sound around the room with a joystick is easiest AND most fun!

I have no experience w/ mixing in 5.1 but have the monitors and sound card for it. I would experiment with it for sure (and upgrade) if Live 7 had this.

Interesting...

I think I might try downloading Ntrack and rewiring Live to it for doing the pan and mix.

id prefer to see other conventional features before this, but would be good to have eventually

Meef Chaloin wrote:id prefer to see other conventional features before this, but would be good to have eventually

Agreed (well maybe not "conventional" but other more practical features at least)