Ableton Forum

Sorry i misread that,....it was before noon and i should know better than to do anything that takes thought before that time.

Sorry stinky but i've got to agree with gomi on that.I went through 2 002r's with the harness issue's and i also know several others that have had problems with the 002's.
Yet another reason to stay away from digi hardware.

And i didn't bang on it like an idiot.......until after the freakin' thing died on me.It was just sitting still in a rack and went haywire....although i guess rackmounting digi hardware takes it's toll on cheap plastic shite.

Mind you they left the 001 to die (in favor of the 002r) and that fucker still works like the day i bought it.... go figure.....

My friends and i have never had any problem with PT gear. It works for me. Don't know what to tell you.

Sebastian wrote:I think Im imgonrant of what Pro Tools does

I got the Digi 002 rack. Im not really sure what the software does....

Still debating if to return rack and get Protools console

Will I end up using both Live and Protools or not necessarily?

Ok, I feel ya!!!!

stinky wrote:My friends and i have never had any problem with PT gear. It works for me. Don't know what to tell you.

Oh no need to tell me anything.I've since moved on to motu hardware.

I just thought the original poster should hear both sides of the story since they were asking about the 002r.

And this is my experience,i'm sure there are plenty of happy customer's also.

stinky wrote:oh comon Gomi, get over yourself.. you're just a protools bashing troll.. I've had my PT rig since the 002 first came out, and i haven't had a problem with it yet.. If you bang on it like an idiot, then you get what you deserve.. Not everybody's a frustrated monkeyboy...

i don't touch em, i just fix em.


i have no problems with protools, it has it's place, but they really
need to design their hardware better.


the d-control feels so flimsy, like the knobs will come off in my hands.
certainly not worth the 80 thousand dollars or whatever unreasonable
price they are charging for a glorified MOUSE.

i think the best bet would be to take that 002r back and go motu

i bought a digi 001 in like 2001 and liked it..it did everything i needed
i actually got my 002r for free (only reson i have it)

pro tools is cool and i don't think anything comes close to it.. i dont even think it is that bad to use a sequencer


but looking back i always wish i went motu, now i'm finally free of protools

it sucks that you can't upgrade your OS hardly ever.. also when a new products comes out digi quits suppoting the legacy harddware.. for a company that is suppose to be so on top of the game..they just dont cut it imho

also no way to use aggregate audio device's in osx with digi on your system

To learn the Pro Tools software will take time away from songwriting, On the other hnad my school offers an intensive Pro Tools course for $1,000 USD

I am not a professional engineer nor do I plan in the short future to become a studio

On the other hand, as I record my demo, it would be great that if it lands in the hands of a producer, that if its on ABleton pn;y it will have to be reassembled in PT

Im wondering if I can record say guitar part A on both Ableton and Protools at the same time so that I may have it "Pro Tools ready"

I dont knwo how good quiality recording wise the Digi 002 is.

Im suspecting I can do the same good recording on a less expensive interface. The only buts and ifs is being PT ready or compatible

.............?

not only does the 002 break a lot (one was always out for repair at SAE) but it also sounds bad. HD system sounds great and doesn't break down nearly as often. Don't expect to be able to keep your os up to date though. pt are really slow with compatibility.



.lm.

thats kind of scary.

So if i buy say a Firepod, does that come with a softfware mixer? Or will I use Ableton's mixer?

Where will I gainstage?

Dude, you're seriously nutz if you're going to trade in a digi and get anything presonus. However much these people will lead you to believe the the digi is flawed, it's nowhere near as bad as presonus crap. I had a presonus firestation once and the quality and support of that product were way below anything i've ever had in my entire life. If you're going to trade the digi for something, get a motu, like they suggested. Personally, i wouldn't get motu... I would get an RME Fireface at that point, but it's your call.

My real point is, if you're going to trade the digi, get something on that level, don't go down levels. You already spent the money. It sounds like you're just trying to find an excust to recoup alot of that money back. If that's what you're doing, then fine. But, if you don't want to be pulling you're hair out working out problems with substandard shit, do yourself a favor, and stay in the same bracket.

This is why i bought Pro Tools which by the way I can still exchange for something else............

I write everything on Ableton. But one day Im sure someone will ask me to send them some of my songs so they can edit, produce, engineer them. I figured it would be best to have PT available to mix into PT so its compatible with professional producers. I initially dont intend to use the PT software much, just the rack. Thats where Im having doubts........Is it worth the $ just because one day I will need to mix to PT?

Sebastian wrote:This is why i bought Pro Tools which by the way I can still exchange for something else............

I write everything on Ableton. But one day Im sure someone will ask me to send them some of my songs so they can edit, produce, engineer them. I figured it would be best to have PT available to mix into PT so its compatible with professional producers. I initially dont intend to use the PT software much, just the rack. Thats where Im having doubts........Is it worth the $ just because one day I will need to mix to PT?

If you are going to work mainly in Ableton, adding PT to it is only going to complicate things. If you take the time to export different .wav/.aiff files for each track anybody in PT should be able to load those and work from there. Owning PT isn't going to save you *that* much time unless you are mainly going to work in it.

if the supposed producer in the future has Abelton in his studio, and I bring him my songs he could open up my Ableton files and Rewire them to Pro Tools and voila?

Would any MIDI tracks be subject to whatever Soundbank he has in his studio?

By the way, I spoek with the store manager at the store where i bought Pro Tools which I havent even unwrapped yet and he said no problem, I can get somehting else so Im not stuck with it just so you know

Sebastian wrote:if the supposed producer in the future has Abelton in his studio, and I bring him my songs he could open up my Ableton files and Rewire them to Pro Tools and voila?

Actually, the producer would only need the demo... so technically they wouldn't even need to purchase Ableton to use your tracks...

Greg

and if you save your set "self contained" then all you samples will be there


however you cannot use vst's in live when it is a rewire slave