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Krugger wrote:Are we comparing Garageband to Ableton now?

erm...no?

Krugger wrote:Are we comparing Garageband to Ableton now?

This forum is sooooooooo unfair sometimes

no one considering Ejay??

Warning: Do not use Garageband to mix. It sucks. I'm about to just take it off of my powerbook for good. It's just wasting space. Ableton Live 5, Logic Express 7, Melodyne Uno, Pluggo-that's all I use now. I am a closet FL Studio user on the PC though. Even Logic Express has a steep learning curve compared to Live. I haven't rewired them yet. Does this work pretty well? Anyone?

find a friend who is a student
and have them buy you logic pro 7

check out the edu apple store you'll see logic pro 7 for $499

1/2 price for a full version!!!

Johnisfaster wrote:but thats talking about production studio 2 I want audition (honostly.. cool edit...but that doesn't exist anymore) for osx. I don't think it's gonna happen.

audition is part of the production studio.

Save a few more pennies and buy a second hand copy of Logic Pro for $500. There are a lot of small but very useful features stripped out of Express that all add up to a significantly less powerful host, more important than the extra plugs IMO.

But also be prepared for a steep learning curve. It's worth it but it's painful at first. READ THE MANUAL!!

How is Logic express any bit easier than Logic pro 7? I am really curious! My understanding is that beyond limitations in track numbers and instrument, Apple uses the "cripple-ware" technique of taking out some of the most direct and useful commands and navigation methods, thus encouraging people to buy big and have a smoother work flow. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Has anyone else noticed a sudden spike in the number of recent logic threads on this board this week? I have a theory for this:

All of us closet Logic users, not so closted logic abusers, and those of us who want the massive eutopian all-in-one DAW are realizing, consciously or unconsciously the same thing:

Live six will have sick routing features, ready-to-go, native support for select midi-controllers, dual processor support, project manager, and one of the most exciting sound design insrtuments since sculpture (the deciding factor in buying Logic pro for me.)...

I think that live is going for the throat, and they are pulling some serious Borg style action and devouring all of the selling points of Logic. I LOVE what I am seeing.

f*(k apple.

For an introductory x amount a beginner can buy the instrument/tool that is live. For y amount more the novice or developing DAW user can easilly attain results that are comperable to Logic. A pro can then compensate easilly with 3rd party plugins, or the time 7 comes out I am willing to bet that the new effects and editing features will surpass logic, even on the conventional playing ground.

Logic has been a sinking ship for some time. I think there will be plenty of new rats over here in the near future...

I'm in exactly the opposite boat. All the things I hoped were coming in Live 6 to make it more usable as a full blown DAW and tolerable for complex arrangements didn't happen, so I'm back to working in Logic mostly. Perhaps other people are coming to the same conclusions? I'll still use Live as a sketchpad and idea machine but I'm done trying to do detailed arrange work for this iteration of Live.

Personally I wouldn't waste my time with Logic Express. It's not really any simpler than Pro and you'll just develop bad workflow habits because of the missing key commands and functions.

polyslax wrote:Yeah, ease up Scube, lots of us are closet users of other apps.

I think it's a smart plan to start with Express. I don't own Logic yet but I've been keeping an eye on Express and DP.

Realising that Live 6 will still not allow time signature changes I'm starting to consider these two as well. I really wish DP had a demo. Do you currently finish tracks in Live?

Johnisfaster wrote:imagine this spoken in a stupid hick voice::: "yeahhhhhh and you ain't aloud to use anything but what weez use here cause this is the software of jesus, you believe in jesus don't ya boy??"

your post isn't stupid, lots of people here use ableton with any number of other programs at the sametime. plugins, other daws, wav editors, it's all of interest here.

I think scubes post is the stupid post here.

Yes sure

Scube

I wonder what you expect from Logic. Logic might be a good application if you need a pro studio app for doing all kind of audio jobs in the studio. The price is that its not an instrument like Life is. IMHO it doesn't tweak your creativity, it's just a tool.

So if you need a tool for daily audio work, Logic will be a good addition to Life. Life has so many drawbacks when it comes to major projects, that it's a good idea to take your Live demo to Logic and mix it in Logic. The workflow in the arrangement is quite good in Logic, the bus and aux system is not great, but gives more options than Live. Also, you can connect several Macs to a cluster for more cpu power.
If you are a hobbyist Logic is IMHO a waste of time and money, if you just want to do a few electronic music tracks, Live is perfect. Also, now that Aplle has done the Intel switch, you won't get a stable and working system if using an Intel Mac for about 1 year if you want to use the common plug-ins.
Best

Ray

brainray wrote:I wonder what you expect from Logic. Logic might be a good application if you need a pro studio app for doing all kind of audio jobs in the studio. The price is that its not an instrument like Life is. IMHO it doesn't tweak your creativity, it's just a tool.

So if you need a tool for daily audio work, Logic will be a good addition to Life. Life has so many drawbacks when it comes to major projects, that it's a good idea to take your Live demo to Logic and mix it in Logic.

Ray

Life

brainray wrote:Life has so many drawbacks when it comes to major projects

Ah, yes.

SubFunk wrote:unklmic wrote:

On a seperate note - I have been comparing Logic Express with Logic Pro. There is a huge difference in Price - Logic Express costs the same as some soft synths on their own, but it seems to have all you need.

yes there is big difference, but considering the pricetag of express it's in my eyes the best money for value on the market. and it might indeed give you all you need. it is for 300 USD the bomb! of course if you can afford pro, get it! it does offer much more. but still, express 300dollar pro 1000dollar express has the better value for money ratio!!

scube wrote:

No, I will never buy Logic Pro. It's for Mac only AND I don't like it.

This is the Ableton NG, I think your post is a stupid post

Scube

and yes it is an ableton live forum and this thread is not stupid, we live in a democracy, so the abletons have to live with the fact, that they are not alone on the market and some people do recommend something additional... no one ever said to dumb live for logic, but it is and remains a superb addition, for the people who want or need more.
simply because it does deliver more. if you personally don't like nore need it, then simply don't buy it and stick with live only, nothing wrong with that.

cheers.

I have :

Ableton Live! 5 - Steinberg Nuendo 3 - Wavelab 5 - Sony Vegas Video 6
Protools M-Powered - Kontakt 2 and some other plugin AND Pulsar - UAD-1 - TC powercore - RME audio cards AND other machines.

I'm sure that A LOT of people in this NG have these products and that will buy a vast number of NEW products. You are telling me that EVERYONE can post his next purchase questions here without caos?

Anyway...It's obvious that you can post everithing here but it's obvious that I can tell you everithing I want. It's democracy.

Scube

krank wrote:

polyslax wrote:Yeah, ease up Scube, lots of us are closet users of other apps.

I think it's a smart plan to start with Express. I don't own Logic yet but I've been keeping an eye on Express and DP.

Realising that Live 6 will still not allow time signature changes I'm starting to consider these two as well. I really wish DP had a demo. Do you currently finish tracks in Live?

I render in Live but often apply finishing touches in either Peak or Quattro. I've seen some great second hand deals on DP, so I may go that route.