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zsazsa wrote:

krank wrote:
But what's that about the 128 steps being audible?

It depends on the sound but e.g. try the preset sound wobble synth. If I play with the LPF cutoff i can clearly hear stepping. Just try a slow sweep.
Definitely a reason to substiute midi and buy old analog gear with CV and real pots.

But in the context of MIDI controllers, does it make the MS-20 controller any different from other products? Can you avoid said stepping by using another controller?

Poster wrote: ??? I always thought it has something to do with Live's CC recording resolution..
For instance when you record CC automation it has a terrible treshold..
I never hear any stepping with Reaktor ??

Agreed with the hardware comment

I just tried the VMS-20 standalone. Same result. So it doesn't have anything to do with Live.
Reaktor handles controllers differently, I think. Don't have it, so
But since Reaktor also supports OSC it must have a higher internal resolution.
I also believe the BCR-2000 has something like 14 bit midi, this should make the resolution a lot better? Does anyone have experience with this? There is an option for this in the cc assign mode box.
And you can still draw your envelopes, at least linear slopes, no curves. That would be a nice feature too.

By the way, Poster, what kind of music do you do? I think I need people to work/ compete with. Might make me more productive than just hanging on the forum whilst being on holiday.

zsazsa wrote:it does mean you have to assign every knob by hand. I posted somewhere if anybody had a decent solution for this but nothing came up.
I put a vms-20 in my template with the assignments.

So no plug and play i guess. Crap.
AFAIK in Cubase you can plug the Controller in and you are set. Why is Ableton unable to do the same?

I guess they need to make an automap for it. Or am I way off here?

zsazsa wrote:I guess they need to make an automap for it. Or am I way off here?

Well, call me a noob, but i find it really annoying, that a DAW like Live is not able to deliver this. Well i guess i will switch to Cubase in the next time, cause i am planning to buy a new masterkeyboard and other controllers and the midi implementation in Live is pretty sucky compared to Cubase.

mon0 wrote:

zsazsa wrote:it does mean you have to assign every knob by hand. I posted somewhere if anybody had a decent solution for this but nothing came up.
I put a vms-20 in my template with the assignments.

So no plug and play i guess. Crap.
AFAIK in Cubase you can plug the Controller in and you are set. Why is Ableton unable to do the same?

What are you guys talking about?

The controller is hardwired to certain CCs - these are also in the VST itself unless you change it. Cutoff is CC 74 for example. Just put your track to monitor in and hook up an instance of MS-20. Play and twist the knobs. No probs!

If you're talking about Live's native midi mapping - no the controller doesn't work as a remote in that way. But I don't think that should be expected.

-Mikael

Lo-Fi Massahkah wrote:

mon0 wrote:

zsazsa wrote:it does mean you have to assign every knob by hand. I posted somewhere if anybody had a decent solution for this but nothing came up.
I put a vms-20 in my template with the assignments.

So no plug and play i guess. Crap.
AFAIK in Cubase you can plug the Controller in and you are set. Why is Ableton unable to do the same?

What are you guys talking about?

The controller is hardwired to certain CCs - these are also in the VST itself unless you change it. Cutoff is CC 74 for example. Just put your track to monitor in and hook up an instance of MS-20. Play and twist the knobs. No probs!

If you're talking about Live's native midi mapping - no the controller doesn't work as a remote in that way. But I don't think that should be expected.

-Mikael

Ok, that helps alot. To get it clear:
I will connect the Controller via USB and i can control the MS-20 without tweaking around, right?

zsazsa wrote:
By the way, Poster, what kind of music do you do? I think I need people to work/ compete with. Might make me more productive than just hanging on the forum whilst being on holiday.

Electro(nisch).. vooral in de IDM hoek..
En ook uit Utrecht trouwens

mon0 wrote:

Lo-Fi Massahkah wrote:

mon0 wrote: So no plug and play i guess. Crap.
AFAIK in Cubase you can plug the Controller in and you are set. Why is Ableton unable to do the same?

What are you guys talking about?

The controller is hardwired to certain CCs - these are also in the VST itself unless you change it. Cutoff is CC 74 for example. Just put your track to monitor in and hook up an instance of MS-20. Play and twist the knobs. No probs!

If you're talking about Live's native midi mapping - no the controller doesn't work as a remote in that way. But I don't think that should be expected.

-Mikael

Ok, that helps alot. To get it clear:
I will connect the Controller via USB and i can control the MS-20 without tweaking around, right?

Yep! Make sure you have the Legacy controller as your midi input, though.

-M

Lo-Fi Massahkah wrote:

mon0 wrote:

Lo-Fi Massahkah wrote: What are you guys talking about?

The controller is hardwired to certain CCs - these are also in the VST itself unless you change it. Cutoff is CC 74 for example. Just put your track to monitor in and hook up an instance of MS-20. Play and twist the knobs. No probs!

If you're talking about Live's native midi mapping - no the controller doesn't work as a remote in that way. But I don't think that should be expected.

-Mikael

Ok, that helps alot. To get it clear:
I will connect the Controller via USB and i can control the MS-20 without tweaking around, right?

Yep! Make sure you have the Legacy controller as your midi input, though.

-M

Thanx man. One last question:
Is it possible to have 2 Midi Inputs at the same time, i.e. one masterkeyboard and the ms-20 controller besides that?

Poster wrote:

zsazsa wrote:
By the way, Poster, what kind of music do you do? I think I need people to work/ compete with. Might make me more productive than just hanging on the forum whilst being on holiday.

Electro(nisch).. vooral in de IDM hoek..
En ook uit Utrecht trouwens

I know, that's why I'm asking. I don't really have a style yet. But it would be nice to meet up.
I dont' want to put my email on the forum, so how can we keep in touch?

zsazsa wrote:

Poster wrote:

zsazsa wrote:
By the way, Poster, what kind of music do you do? I think I need people to work/ compete with. Might make me more productive than just hanging on the forum whilst being on holiday.

Electro(nisch).. vooral in de IDM hoek..
En ook uit Utrecht trouwens

I know, that's why I'm asking. I don't really have a style yet. But it would be nice to meet up.
I dont' want to put my email on the forum, so how can we keep in touch?

je kan de PM (personal message) knop gebruiken aan het einde van elke post..
hoe weet je trouwens wat voor muziek ik maak??

mon0 wrote:

Lo-Fi Massahkah wrote:

mon0 wrote: Ok, that helps alot. To get it clear:
I will connect the Controller via USB and i can control the MS-20 without tweaking around, right?

Yep! Make sure you have the Legacy controller as your midi input, though.

-M

Thanx man. One last question:
Is it possible to have 2 Midi Inputs at the same time, i.e. one masterkeyboard and the ms-20 controller besides that?

In that case you'll have to set midi input to All. But, yes!

-M

Lo-Fi Massahkah wrote:
What are you guys talking about?

The controller is hardwired to certain CCs - these are also in the VST itself unless you change it. Cutoff is CC 74 for example. Just put your track to monitor in and hook up an instance of MS-20. Play and twist the knobs. No probs!

If you're talking about Live's native midi mapping - no the controller doesn't work as a remote in that way. But I don't think that should be expected.

-Mikael

You're so right. Man, I probably didn't have monitor on, or whatever. This makes my life a lot easier.