Ableton Forum

ejectorset wrote:
1--- ie. if i knew your operator unlock code i could use it to unlock live 5 if i did not already own it.

2--- i can see where they are coming from though, why would someone want to buy operator from you instead of them, unless they are not a valid registered legal live 5 user?

3--- edit: maybe i should make this clearer, they probably do not want anyone using (buying) operator or sampler if they did not buy live 5.

1: No, the unlock code is unique to your computer's ID/Fingerprint. its useless to everyone else. They've done this loads of times, as most other software developers do too....its not some new security issue. Its simple to do...just a matter of issuing new serial numbers, making void older ones.

2--- cos 2nd hand stuff is cheaper

3--- and what exactly are they going to use operator/sampler with , if not ableton live ?

ejectorset wrote:edit: maybe i should make this clearer, they probably do not want anyone using (buying) operator or sampler if they did not buy live 5.

That makes total sense to me.

Ooookay guys, how about this:

John, you sell Live+Operator to somebody -

in exchange for that persons copy of Live+cash.



Slightly convoluted, but worse things have happened than having to get a new serial for your Live copy, non?

I don't know the email exchange that has been going on, but it sounds like something has gotten overly complicated along the way.

b0unce wrote:...3--- and what exactly are they going to use operator/sampler with , if not ableton live ?

Maybe they're trying to prevent that very problem? People selling "pieces" of Live (Operator, Sampler, [insert future product here]) to people who can't even use them.

Maybe not. I don't know. I would never sell Operator. It's my pride and joy.

thats some stupid shit right there.

Very weird

once you have bought it you can't sell it?
I guess this is some consequence of the way they do copy protection, but its a bit rich handing customers the shitty end of the stick.

I think you could sell on FM7 if you wanted, as I see FM7 is the same price as Operator these days, more powerful and you can use in other hosts too.

not that it will help you of course.

anonymouse wrote:I'm going to upgrade Live purely because of the sincere effort the company goes to.

Seriously bugs me if they are accused of stealing from their users.

I'm totally with you, except I just got a sincere kick in the crotch. Ok, not the crotch, the kick glanced off of my shin. I wouldn't say stealing, it's a decision the Abes made whose only justification is more money for them.

b0unce wrote:3--- and what exactly are they going to use operator/sampler with , if not ableton live ?

Another good point, I don't know if that puts any more sanity to the situation.

Hell, the Abes are already getting me to pay $150+ a year to keep getting the upgrades. Then there's rants about boxed versions, printed manuals, stickers, sample libraries...

Too much money talk, it is what it is. I love Live.

Machinate - Funny idea, it might be worth doing just to shake things up. I think John would like the $$ on hand before Live 6 comes out.

...I need a cigarette...

DeadlyKungFu wrote:Machinate - Funny idea, it might be worth doing just to shake things up.

It's a workaround. Nothing more, nothing less. Everybody likes to keep their customers

i'm surprised too, and i would probably get pissed off if that happened to me.
coming to think of it, it might be related to this bug:
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=47082
except that instead of devices it's ableton products that you can't ungroup. maybe it's a feature!

anyway, has any of you read the terms of the licence?
it must be said clearly there whether you can sell operator separately. and then you won't be allowed to complaint anymore.
i never read those.

I find brand loyalty very strange, I've never met any of the Ableton staff/owners and not talked enough with them to call them 'friend'. I pay money to them and they deliver a service, sometimes they post on here in a jocular or friendly manner, that's nice sure, but it's a long way short of a friendship. I post on here in a jocular manner, they owe me nothing for that.

Its sociologically interesting to me the way people assign themselves to a tribe this way, based on a product or a brand, in this case "ableton tribe" , it's just as common with other software of course. More common with stuff like sportswear.
Anyway - no point to this really, it just fascinates me.

That's very true, even my wife gets into it, she loves to wear my Ableton hoodie. She doesn't know how to use it, but she gets into it.

I guess I can cancel the appointment for an Ableton tattoo.

DeadlyKungFu wrote:That's very true, even my wife gets into it, she loves to wear my Ableton hoodie. She doesn't know how to use it, but she gets into it.

How hard is it to get into a hoodie?

She gets her legs into the sleeves but can't quite get the hood on.

that's another reason why Ableton should just bundle all this stuff into Live and offer it at 1 price - one version with synths/effects..that's it, take it or leave it, BUT! it must be competitively priced, obviously, to the likes of Project5, Sonar, & Reason. This would also solve the whole selling off bits and pieces problem for Ableton as their "extra tools" only work in Live anyway.

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