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frankie123 wrote: Damn straight, always cracks me up when some squirrel neck vegans got to talk out of there asses.

Rather be a squirrel neck than a sausage neck, and rather be talking out of it than eating something else's.

Kodama wrote:Been veg for 11+ years, vegan for 1+.

A good saying -"First we kill them, then they kill us".

Meat is the #1 cause of premature death, at almost twice the rate in African Americans.

Carl Lewis on eating vegan:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6519516434

The more you examine the topic, the more you cannot get away from the fact that meat is wrong on every level, for your body, the animals, human rights, and the planet.

It's not natural and the whole process from animal to your bathroom is just disgusting.

All that's left is "but I like meat", which is much akin to "I love the benefits of slavery".

Read up and you will be surprised!

Vegans talk like humans aren't predisposed to eat meat in the first place. I call it being delusional Obviously eating a steak everyday isn't good for you, but eating a balanced diet of lean meats like chicken and combining it with fruits and vegetables is the optimal way of eating for the grand majority of pro athletes. Thats a fact.

frankie123 wrote: Obviously eating a steak everyday isn't good for you

No one told me that - I'm screwed

T Bones and New Yorks like 3 to 4 times a week during the summer months

T Bones and New Yorks seasoned with fresh Garlic, Salt Pepper and splash of A1 - let that sit for about an hour

throw a couple potatoes in the oven, butter up the corn on the cob

at about 30 hour until the potatoes are done start the coals - then put the corn in the Aluminum foil on the grill - you can hear the butter cooking the corn

drop the steaks on the grill

when the steaks are done open a Sprite, sit in front of the TV and watch any one of my favorite TV shows - save some meat for the dogs

^^^ swear to god I did this all summer 3 to 4 times a week - it was nice

frankie123 wrote: Dude, vegan protein has been proven to be of lower quality then REAL protein. It may be a CLEAN way of eating, but the fact is meat has been proven to be better protein for top athletes. For building muscle vegan dieting does not come even CLOSE to meat.

don't believe the hype

its funny how meat eaters always have to rub it in the veggies face

i don't understand
get out of this thread, why does not eating meat offend those who do?

you are here spreading ignorance in defense of your ecologically wasteful eating habits

Soy protein is a complete protein that ranks right up there with the best in the Protein Digestibility Corrected Amino Acid Score (PDCAAS). Soy protein is generally very low in or free of fat, cholesterol, and lactose.

Soy protein is approved for those who are lactose intolerant, and can be used as a meat substitute. Much more than just an ingredient for a protein shake, Soy protein can be used for cooking instead of flour, producing high protein foods that are extremely low in fat, a bodybuilder's dream come true! Soy protein is derived exclusively from soy beans.

if we are so "made" to eat meat go eat some raw chickens until you get salmonella

1. Your body will put up with eating meat because it is forgiving, just like you can take in other poisons and it won't always kill you for a few decades....

2. Athletes train and take supplements, that's what makes them strong.

3. 910,000 americans die of cardiovascular disease each year, I think the average person has more serious concerns than their performance on the field

mike holiday wrote:if we are so "made" to eat meat go eat some raw chickens until you get salmonella

Or better yet, be a REAL omnivore - like a dog!

Next time your dog buries a half-eaten piece of meat and goes back to gnaw on it a week later, snatch it out of his jaws & go to town!

Prove your superiority!

Kodama wrote:.

2. Athletes train and take supplements, that's what makes them strong.
:

Wrong. Once again presumptious vegan thinking. Top athletes take supplements on the side, in addition to there main source of food, meat and veggies. Any good athlete knows a supplement should be an addition to a good eating regimen, not a REPLACEMENT.

Kodama wrote:1. Your body will put up with eating meat because it is forgiving, just like you can take in other poisons and it won't always kill you for a few decades....

This is just too ridiculous to even address. Your only real point was the cardiovascular disease, which once again, is done by eating TOO MUCH BAD MEAT. Eating lean meats, and mostly chicken, WILL NOT RESULT IN CARDIOVASCULAR DISEASE. Enough with the cookie cutter trivia.

mike holiday wrote:

frankie123 wrote: Dude, vegan protein has been proven to be of lower quality then REAL protein. It may be a CLEAN way of eating, but the fact is meat has been proven to be better protein for top athletes. For building muscle vegan dieting does not come even CLOSE to meat.

don't believe the hype

its funny how meat eaters always have to rub it in the veggies face

i don't understand
get out of this thread, why does not eating meat offend those who do?

you are here spreading ignorance in defense of your ecologically wasteful eating habits

Soy protein is a complete protein that ranks right up there with the best in the Protein Digestibility Corrected Amino Acid Score (PDCAAS). Soy protein is generally very low in or free of fat, cholesterol, and lactose.

Soy protein is approved for those who are lactose intolerant, and can be used as a meat substitute. Much more than just an ingredient for a protein shake, Soy protein can be used for cooking instead of flour, producing high protein foods that are extremely low in fat, a bodybuilder's dream come true! Soy protein is derived exclusively from soy beans.

Soy protein is a complete protein, but it won't build muscle like meat does, simple as that.

frankie123 wrote:Wrong. Once again presumptious vegan thinking. Top athletes take supplements on the side, in addition to there main source of food, meat and veggies. Any good athlete knows a supplement should be an addition to a good eating regimen, not a REPLACEMENT.

Ok that has nothing to do with your arguement.

Did you watch the video from Carl Lewis?

BTW - You're wasting your time, you will be reduced to using the "I like meat arguement".

You'll lose this debate you started in this thread that was just asking if anyone was vegan.

Be a good boy and move along now....

djadonis206 wrote:T Bones and New Yorks like 3 to 4 times a week during the summer months

T Bones and New Yorks seasoned with fresh Garlic, Salt Pepper and splash of A1 - let that sit for about an hour

throw a couple potatoes in the oven, butter up the corn on the cob

at about 30 hour until the potatoes are done start the coals - then put the corn in the Aluminum foil on the grill - you can hear the butter cooking the corn

drop the steaks on the grill

when the steaks are done open a Sprite, sit in front of the TV and watch any one of my favorite TV shows - save some meat for the dogs

^^^ swear to god I did this all summer 3 to 4 times a week - it was nice

Dawg - next summer, I'm coming to your gaff. And we are gonna EAT MEAT! Switch up the odd T-Bone for a Rib-Eye and I am there! I got no idea what A1 is (hot sauce? We don't really get that in the UK) but salt, pepper and garlic on cow is the shit! Seriously. I love Cow.

I was in Prague last year, and I ate Fillet Steak at this rough restaurant every night for a week. Burnt on the outside - raw on the inside. Goddamn perfect...

Steak. Mmm, mmm, mmm!!!

im vegetarian and very nearly vegan. Going veggie was real easy & i actually preferred the veggie diet. The one thing i found was that i ate wider variety of foods, mostly healthier too. Im not sure about total veganism, does seem a bit extreme but i like the thought of it. Sometimes though its hard enough to get a meal thats veggie in a restaurant, let alone vegan. I find myself leaning to veganism naturally though.

The way i see it predisposition & stuff like that is a rubbish argument, there's many things we did for thousands of years that would be highly illegal now. To me eating meat is unnecessary, it causes needless suffering & death to humans and animals alike (check out some of the health stats of the meat packing industry). If i was starving & meat was the only thing i could eat then i would. I think that meat eaters should have a test to see if they can kill a pig/cow/chicken/goat etc, gut it, cook it & eat it. If you can do that then to me you are entitled to eat meat, the problem is that the process has been so far removed that a lot of people would never eat meat again if they had to do that. Another thing they are 'predisposed' to do.

Vs.


Who'll win....

Can vegans eat off of bone china plates?