noisetonepause wrote:I would just like to add as a disclaimer, to any readers of this thread, that what M. Breqs et al posts as facts about Islam is disputable at best, downright lies and misinformation at worst.
To anyone interested in the Muslim faith, I can recommend a few titles, for example Professor Fazlur Rahman's book "Islam", published by University of Chicago Press. At the very least read something that will give you a solid basis before going to the openly anti-Islamic titles suggested by M. Breqs and others on this thread.
I'm out.
Paws.
why dont we quote men of muhammad's time instead of people tryin to shroud the world in mystery???
"oh whatever a christian tells me of christianity must be true, and what ever a muslim says of islam must be true"
peaceful(or secular) muslims tell u its a religion of peace cuz its all they know and theyre delusional to the truth..now do they deserve to be killed? hell no. if theyre peaceful theyre cool with me...but learn the truth of muhammad from his original followers not people trying to hide the truth....
Muhammad had his opponents murdered one by one. Asma bint Marwan spoke out against Muhammad for having another man murdered named Abu Afak who was 120 years old. In his displeasure towards her, Muhammad asked his followers to murder her as well. She was killed while she slept. Abu Afak did not fare well, Asma bint Marwan was the second person who fared the same fate for criticising Muhammad. Their crime was that both were poets and writing poetry against Muhammad.
From Ibn Sa`d's Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, translated by S. Moinul Haq, volume 2, page 31.
SARIYYAH OF `UMAYR IBN `ADI
Then (occurred) the sariyyah of `Umayr ibn `Adi Ibn Kharashah al-Khatmi against `Asma' Bint Marwan, of Banu Umayyah Ibn Zayd, when five nights had remained from the month of Ramadan, in the beginning of the nineteenth month from the hijrah of the apostle of Allah. `Asma' was the wife of Yazid Ibn Zayd Ibn Hisn al-Khatmi. She used to revile Islam, offend the prophet and instigate the (people) against him. She composed verses. Umayr Ibn Adi came to her in the night and entered her house. Her children were sleeping around her. There was one whom she was suckling. He searched her with his hand because he was blind, and separated the child from her. He thrust his sword in her chest till it pierced up to her back. Then he offered the morning prayers with the prophet at al-Medina. The apostle of Allah said to him: "Have you slain the daughter of Marwan?" He said: "Yes. Is there something more for me to do?" He [Muhammad] said: "No. Two goats will butt together about her. This was the word that was first heard from the apostle of Allah. The apostle of Allah called him `Umayr, "basir" (the seeing).
Another case:
Another case of beheading took place with a Jewish chief called Kinana in Khaibar of the tribe of Banu Nadir.
"Kinana al-Rabi, who had the custody of the treasure of Banu Nadir, was brought to the apostle who asked him about it. He denied that he knew where it was. A Jew came (Tabari says "was brought"), to the apostle and said that he had seen Kinana going round a certain ruin every morning early. When the apostle said to Kinana, "Do you know that if we find you have it I shall kill you?" He said "Yes". The apostle gave orders that the ruin was to be excavated and some of the treasure was found. When he asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr Al-Awwam, "Torture him until you extract what he has." So he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad b. Maslama and he struck off his head [beheaded him], in revenge for his brother Mahmud." (Life of Muhammad page 515).
Kinana's wife Saffiya who was very beautiful fell in lot to Dahiya another Muslim but he was persuaded by Muhammad after some negotiation with money to part with her so Muhammad could marry her which he later did adding her to his harem of wives. She became Muhammad's tenth wife. Clearly the precedent is set and the chief of this Jewish tribe was swiftly executed after extracting the treasure from this so called infidel according to Islamic traditions. [ref: Muslim II, P 237, quoted by Margolieuth P 363.]
Muhammad bore false testimony against the Jewish tribes in Medina to drive them out of Arabia by saying they helped the Quraish tribe when in fact they did not.
All three tribes of the Jews were eliminated one by one.
Banu Qainuqa - Expelled
Banu Nader - Expelled
Banu Qurayza - All the men beheaded
In the battle of the Ditch (AD 627), Banu Qurayza was said to have sided with the Meccans against the Muslims, which were victorious (they actually refused to help the Meccans because of what had happened to one of the other Jewish tribes). As a result, the 400 to 600 hundred male Jews were beheaded, while their children and women became slaves. The judgment was given by Sad, and Muhammad commended him for this judgment:
"Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." (Sura AL-BAQARA 2:16) The Quran "
It doesnt get any more evident....
remember its not a hate thread but truth.
peaceful muslims get the ok from me, problem is REAL MUSLIMS like muhammad and osama bin laden and alzarqawi etc. wanna kil those peaceful muslims claiming them to be kuffar or infidels as anyone of us who doesnt follow the true teachings of muhammad.....
i could care less about what that doctor said before, but just read what muhammad the so called peaceful one said and youll see.
