If you're interested in the history and the effects of LSD, there are tons of good articles and books about it. One of my favorites is "Acid Dreams", then there are some docus on google video, of course erowid.org or the writings of Aldous Huxley and Alan Ginsbergh ("The doors of percetion" is not about LSD per se but still a very interesting read).
At least, you're on the right track. If you want to try LSD (and I'm not saying you should, nor am I saying you should not), make sure to be prepared and that you've done your homework. When you read the "bad trip" reports on erowid, you'll find that the vast majority of them were doing stupid mistakes like mixing it with other drugs, not knowing what to expect (like thinking it'd be just another 'fun' drug like MDMA or Marijuana), not having a sitter or taking it in uncomfortable or unfamiliar envrionments.
Concerning your original question about the medical aspects: that is clearly the way LSD should be legal to use. While I think that LSD should not be sold over the counter like alcohol or tobacco, it should be available to psychiatrists. In the right hands, a LSD session can give a therapist deeper access to someone's personality than years of regular therapy.
Lsd "medicine for the mind???"
My friend took LSD and it killed him (Mentally). He ended up in hospital and never recovered. It tore his family apart too (Obviously).
After seeing this happen to my friend, I never touched it again. Not everybody can handle it, and as for preperation, theres still no guarantee that you won't trip balls and fuc* up your head in the process. You just don't know ... Don't gamble with your marbles ... you could end up losing them all (Like my m8, sad shi*).
Fuc* LSD and have a nice day.
After seeing this happen to my friend, I never touched it again. Not everybody can handle it, and as for preperation, theres still no guarantee that you won't trip balls and fuc* up your head in the process. You just don't know ... Don't gamble with your marbles ... you could end up losing them all (Like my m8, sad shi*).
Fuc* LSD and have a nice day.
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That is evil advice. Salvia is NOT a light alternative to anything. it is probably the most headfuckingly profound hallucinogen known to man.digitalex wrote:Hey, if you want to try something light before experimenting with lsd, smoke 3 or four bong hits of salvia.
If you want to see what salvia does search it out on utube. if you still want to try it after that, cool, go fo it. just be informed, that's all.
if you want to know what a bad lsd/psylocibe/mesculine trip is like, watch Natural Born Killers. It contains the best depiction of the psychadelic experience i've ever seen on film.
another great source of insight into the lsd experience is Brian Aldis' Barefoot In The Head.
"That very perceptive of you Mr Stapleton, and rather unexpected... in a G Major"
stew wrote:make sure to be prepared and that you've done your homework. When you read the "bad trip" reports on erowid, you'll find that the vast majority of them were doing stupid mistakes like mixing it with other drugs, not knowing what to expect (like thinking it'd be just another 'fun' drug like MDMA or Marijuana), not having a sitter or taking it in uncomfortable or unfamiliar envrionments.
In the right hands, a LSD session can give a therapist deeper access to someone's personality than years of regular therapy.
first thing: the most substance me carved of "bad trips", which are such those who are real. the good fun-trips are useless but easy to tell, sure, but to dictate which travelling was "right" or "good", and to state that dark trips are really evil and somethign to avoid is chuldish crap making users unfree. fuck off.
one of the main effects of lsd and similar drugs is extreme mental confusion and disociation.
confused and disociated people are easily manipluated.
this is what makes them so interesting to people like the cia and various relgious cults, charity organizations/anybody with something to sell.
Next time you go to a big festival, try looking at it from that point of view. The last Glastonbury i went to, nearly everyone was tripping the whole weekend, the sight of lost people stumbling around looking like startled rabits, only to be pounced on by roving charity workers or gnostic "healers" or sat in front of huge screens watching films about oxfam or wateraid while waiting for thier musical heros who trot out the same message and being subjected to loud hipnotic music.
/paranoid.........
confused and disociated people are easily manipluated.
this is what makes them so interesting to people like the cia and various relgious cults, charity organizations/anybody with something to sell.
Next time you go to a big festival, try looking at it from that point of view. The last Glastonbury i went to, nearly everyone was tripping the whole weekend, the sight of lost people stumbling around looking like startled rabits, only to be pounced on by roving charity workers or gnostic "healers" or sat in front of huge screens watching films about oxfam or wateraid while waiting for thier musical heros who trot out the same message and being subjected to loud hipnotic music.
/paranoid.........
"That very perceptive of you Mr Stapleton, and rather unexpected... in a G Major"
i'm not being judgmental or prescriptive, just don't like misinformation. to say that salvia is a light alternative to lsd is misinformation.ploy wrote:nolus wrote:another bullshitting one.digitalex wrote: Salvia is NOT a light alternative to anything. it is probably the most headfuckingly profound hallucinogen known to man.
some people are afraid of the dark and like to avoid scarey places, it's thier choice.
"That very perceptive of you Mr Stapleton, and rather unexpected... in a G Major"
I know a few people who went proper mental after LSD use,I mean really mental, not fun 'ha ha' mental. More of a shouting in the street wandering naked crying and breaking into peoples houses mental.
Fortunately I escaped relatively unscathed. I found / find halucinogens generally beneficial. Although as stated elsewhere I am one of the few people who really did the 'thought he could fly' thing off the roof a building (saved by friends) I also have had actual acid flashbacks, which were a little frightening. I thought both of these were myths!
I'm really not sure what the precise causes are that fracture some peoples minds, underlying issues, genetics, a combination of those?
Its hard to say 'if you are mentally unstable don't take them' because I was certainly unstable in my youth and they probably gave me enough perspective to sort myself out. It took an active re-constructing effort though.
Imagine you can look at your own programming, but, it is your first programming job and you decide to make some edits. Fortunately for me the edits I made didn't produce critical errors. I guess some people edited the wrong line of code. Robert Anton Wilson is a good author to read on this.
There are certain things which can be learned from hallucinogens which are very hard to obtain by normal means. It is similar to be shot into space and looking down on the earth through an lens, everything gains perspective nothing viewed can be seen as 'true'.
Using that realization brings power to a lot of things, liberates you from a lot of things.
As with all things moderation is best. Huge amounts seem like fun, but the repercussions come a little later, often when you are at your lowest ebb. Generally it doesn't seem so funny then.
Fortunately I escaped relatively unscathed. I found / find halucinogens generally beneficial. Although as stated elsewhere I am one of the few people who really did the 'thought he could fly' thing off the roof a building (saved by friends) I also have had actual acid flashbacks, which were a little frightening. I thought both of these were myths!
I'm really not sure what the precise causes are that fracture some peoples minds, underlying issues, genetics, a combination of those?
Its hard to say 'if you are mentally unstable don't take them' because I was certainly unstable in my youth and they probably gave me enough perspective to sort myself out. It took an active re-constructing effort though.
Imagine you can look at your own programming, but, it is your first programming job and you decide to make some edits. Fortunately for me the edits I made didn't produce critical errors. I guess some people edited the wrong line of code. Robert Anton Wilson is a good author to read on this.
There are certain things which can be learned from hallucinogens which are very hard to obtain by normal means. It is similar to be shot into space and looking down on the earth through an lens, everything gains perspective nothing viewed can be seen as 'true'.
Using that realization brings power to a lot of things, liberates you from a lot of things.
As with all things moderation is best. Huge amounts seem like fun, but the repercussions come a little later, often when you are at your lowest ebb. Generally it doesn't seem so funny then.
what happens when the light turns on? you start to see things you havent seen before. so its up to the way you're personally built, but most likely, you will enjoy this fresh, naive, pure view on life. just be aware, this light might reveal some dirty, neglected, untouched, dark corners. all the things your mind/personality/ego ignores or tries to deny, they will all be waiting there to appear upon an LSD trip.
your REACTION to this showcase will determine how LSD would influence you. that is - what you're doing with this new information.
are you too afraid to handle it? do you believe you went mental? you dont know yourself anymore? = negative influence.
are you accepting it as part of your mind? are you watching it, observing it? = positive influence.
so the question is always, are you capable to have a REAL view on reality.
LSD makes you at once, in a shortcut, so sensitive and attentive.. something that can be compared to enlightenment. its only that real enlightenment is reached after a very hard work. never by swallowing a piece of paper.
but i love it
your REACTION to this showcase will determine how LSD would influence you. that is - what you're doing with this new information.
are you too afraid to handle it? do you believe you went mental? you dont know yourself anymore? = negative influence.
are you accepting it as part of your mind? are you watching it, observing it? = positive influence.
so the question is always, are you capable to have a REAL view on reality.
LSD makes you at once, in a shortcut, so sensitive and attentive.. something that can be compared to enlightenment. its only that real enlightenment is reached after a very hard work. never by swallowing a piece of paper.
but i love it
Angstrom wrote:I know a few people who went proper mental after LSD use,I mean really mental, not fun 'ha ha' mental. More of a shouting in the street wandering naked crying and breaking into peoples houses mental.
but isn´t that "social sickness" or misbehaving just always the greatest fun looking back in time? trying to put weird stuff like "lsd" down to something totally usual is more than just boring, it´s idiotic. live it out, shout it, cry it out.
I'm really not sure what the precise causes are that fracture some peoples minds, underlying issues, genetics, a combination of those?
maybe some have to pay for too much curiosity? they travelled far abroad, and didn´t return to safety when they appeared in front of the more deadly, more cruel doors. and there´s nothing wrong to confront oneself with the black zones of reality, which are basically there, not only when you´re tripping. the reigning world society does good in hiding away the bitterness, creating this dollhouse of clothing lies and that´s ok. but how coming to reason when exploring that nothing but death rules all the ways from behind? have fun by it, sure, or go deeper and fight destiny. that´s due to my experiences the point where most identities cracked down and had to fix.
in fact wilson is a semi-talentend story-teller, using a boring set of deadtold clichee for selling his teenage-shit which may work when you are in some sort of proto-fascistoid neo-hippie-community where everyone agrees your small wisdoms. but the mystery inside experiences like that is much larger i supose, as you can read in many death/love pop-literature from pynchon, bradbury, cocteau back to joyce, baudelaire, poe, goethe and even shakespeare. or just the simpsons. no, it´s everywhere in modern and past art, poetry, philosophy, and nearly every dangerous corner was already enlightened. in music there´s especially the legendary pink dots which come to my mind when it is about that topic. or even fkn brian eno.Robert Anton Wilson is a good author to read on this.
A good point here - many of my mates who did harder drugs had that same feeling - the socalled "myths" were discarded, and the kids did the drugs anyway, with a feeling of youthful immortality.Angstrom wrote:Fortunately I escaped relatively unscathed. I found / find halucinogens generally beneficial. Although as stated elsewhere I am one of the few people who really did the 'thought he could fly' thing off the roof a building (saved by friends) I also have had actual acid flashbacks, which were a little frightening. I thought both of these were myths!
Noone I know were ever killed by drugs, but many were set back 5-10 years in their lives, and are only just now starting to cope with their lives...Granted, this is in the view of a relative straight-edger, though.
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